ALPHA performance 997.1 intercooler kit **VIDEO**
No apologies are necessary Nick. my remarks about you discrediting came in your own thread where you made it seem that our product was made to look fancy but you were not sure if it really worked. We took a little offense to that ourselves:
I am sorry you view our decision to not enter your test as a lack of faith in our product. That is not the case. We simply don't feel its necessary and I am sure you can respect our decision. If you chose to buy our cores and enter them in this test then of course that is well within your right.
We really do wish you the best of luck on your test and hope you do learn a great deal from. Thank you again for considering us.
Eric
I am sorry you view our decision to not enter your test as a lack of faith in our product. That is not the case. We simply don't feel its necessary and I am sure you can respect our decision. If you chose to buy our cores and enter them in this test then of course that is well within your right.
We really do wish you the best of luck on your test and hope you do learn a great deal from. Thank you again for considering us.
Eric
Now if I offended you in that post I apologise but there was no discrediting remarks they were straight honest facts as you have not given any evidence to support your product which you cannot blame me for!
I think as a consumer we have a right to ask?
I do respect your decision and no hard feelings on that part but I do think you will be missing out on valuable information IMO
I appreciate your kind words and I do look forward to learning from this experience as I don't know everything
Last edited by GTRNICK; Oct 16, 2013 at 03:16 PM.
Eric-- the Fabspeed intake of which I spoke appears not as a snippet or momentary shot in the background of your video, but rather in the page from your catalog which you linked in that same post. You'll find it right there in the color photo of your y-pipe and silicon connectors, just above your retail price.
While I certainly understand your reluctance to reveal your core supplier (thoughtless of me to ask, really), several companies (Evolution, Champion, A.W.E., among them) have shared performance numbers for their ICs. Some others have not, and I don't understand that. EPL has a fine reputation, well earned. Quite a compliment to have Tony back you up. Real numbers...even your own...would do you both, and this community, some good. When you find them in your files, I'd really like to see them.
While I certainly understand your reluctance to reveal your core supplier (thoughtless of me to ask, really), several companies (Evolution, Champion, A.W.E., among them) have shared performance numbers for their ICs. Some others have not, and I don't understand that. EPL has a fine reputation, well earned. Quite a compliment to have Tony back you up. Real numbers...even your own...would do you both, and this community, some good. When you find them in your files, I'd really like to see them.
Thank you for pointing out that picture. That is indeed the car I was referring to earlier.
Regarding the data, yes I do agree data is great but the problem with intercooler data is that it is dependent on the conditions. Throwing numbers out there are great but at the end of the day it can be misleading. It does not necessarily mean you will see the same results. IAT's and pressure drop mean everything when it comes to an intercooler setup. I can tell you our cores have almost no pressure drop across the core and as Sergey has demonstrated even on his 1100+ whp 997 his IAT's are rock solid. With that being said in the near future we should have some temp data to post for everyone, again though its all relative to the car and the conditions its being operated in. This is why we like real world performance testing as our benchmark for success.
I will keep everyone posted.
Eric
Regarding the data, yes I do agree data is great but the problem with intercooler data is that it is dependent on the conditions. Throwing numbers out there are great but at the end of the day it can be misleading. It does not necessarily mean you will see the same results. IAT's and pressure drop mean everything when it comes to an intercooler setup. I can tell you our cores have almost no pressure drop across the core and as Sergey has demonstrated even on his 1100+ whp 997 his IAT's are rock solid. With that being said in the near future we should have some temp data to post for everyone, again though its all relative to the car and the conditions its being operated in. This is why we like real world performance testing as our benchmark for success.
I will keep everyone posted.
Eric
Last edited by AMS; Oct 18, 2013 at 07:11 AM.
On your website it says:
Here you say:
Is that possible? I may be wrong, so I ask you to forgive me if I am, but doesn't more fins = more pressure drop?
Originally Posted by amsperformance.com
Each core provides twice the fin density (24 fins per inch) for unmatched cooling.
Is that possible? I may be wrong, so I ask you to forgive me if I am, but doesn't more fins = more pressure drop?
Good question kpt6!
If you were comparing the same sized cores as stock then yes increased internal fin density could create a drop in pressure compared to stock. However each one of our cores not only has more rows of air to pass through but they are larger and longer as well. This means while the air passages between the fins are smaller due to increased fin density there are more of them to balance it out. This helps keep pressure drop in check.
Eric
If you were comparing the same sized cores as stock then yes increased internal fin density could create a drop in pressure compared to stock. However each one of our cores not only has more rows of air to pass through but they are larger and longer as well. This means while the air passages between the fins are smaller due to increased fin density there are more of them to balance it out. This helps keep pressure drop in check.
Eric
spending 5k on a ic upgrade on stock turbos seems like the worst waste of your money ever...I'm on stock turbos and I assume the 997.2 IC's (aka gt2rs) will be a perfect fit for the stock snails and they are Porsche OEM parts and retail for around 1k.
you're right but im also thinking to upgrade in the future thats why i was asking how will they work with oem snails lol, plus we have very high temperatures here in the arabian gulf.
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When you break down the costs the 997.2 are the best value, but if your going with bigger turbos down the line it certainly isn't overkill. I've spent two summers in Kuwait and I can sympathize with the heat over there!<br />
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The Alpha kit also comes with a Y-Pipe, which you would spend another $1k on buying separately, AND it comes with carbon fiber ducts which no other kit offers. Those are great for getting airflow to the cores, and saves you from having to cut up your own ~$800 ducts which is a big deal for resale purposes. By the time you factor in the extras it's really well priced.
water/meth injection is the best upgrade for those conditions.
The Alpha kit also comes with a Y-Pipe, which you would spend another $1k on buying separately, AND it comes with carbon fiber ducts which no other kit offers. Those are great for getting airflow to the cores, and saves you from having to cut up your own ~$800 ducts which is a big deal for resale purposes. By the time you factor in the extras it's really well priced.
When you compare the prices of the 5" to 6" intercoolers + Y pipe + ducts, you see that the AMS kit is not overpriced.
Thanks guys!
Najis997, with your temperatures I think our IC kit is way to go! Our biggest dealer is in Dubai and after visiting there it gave us a whole new perspective on the temperatures you have to put up with out there. Our engineers now take into account these EXACT conditions when we are designing any type of cooling product.
Eric
Najis997, with your temperatures I think our IC kit is way to go! Our biggest dealer is in Dubai and after visiting there it gave us a whole new perspective on the temperatures you have to put up with out there. Our engineers now take into account these EXACT conditions when we are designing any type of cooling product.
Eric
Thanks guys!
Najis997, with your temperatures I think our IC kit is way to go! Our biggest dealer is in Dubai and after visiting there it gave us a whole new perspective on the temperatures you have to put up with out there. Our engineers now take into account these EXACT conditions when we are designing any type of cooling product.
Eric
Najis997, with your temperatures I think our IC kit is way to go! Our biggest dealer is in Dubai and after visiting there it gave us a whole new perspective on the temperatures you have to put up with out there. Our engineers now take into account these EXACT conditions when we are designing any type of cooling product.
Eric



