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Old Oct 15, 2014 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by garychios
Not sure of cost yet. Cant be as bad as a GTR.
It will most likely be worse. Unlike the GTR, the Porsche PDK is "non-serviceable" which means Porsche never intended for the clutches to see the light of day. In order to change them, you need to basically cut open the transmission. After the new ones are installed, you need a VERY skilled person to weld it back together, to within .001" tolerance of where it was.

Get it wrong, or cause even the slightest damage while you're cutting and welding.....and you just bought a $12k transmission unfortunately.

I'd be interested to see someone install these and push the PDK, then compare it to the levels of power we've seen that the stock clutches are capable of holding.
 
Old Oct 15, 2014 | 04:12 PM
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Are you saying the clutch basket is sealed and non serviceable? Or something else inside the transmission?
 
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Originally Posted by Tom@Champion
It will most likely be worse. Unlike the GTR, the Porsche PDK is "non-serviceable" which means Porsche never intended for the clutches to see the light of day. In order to change them, you need to basically cut open the transmission. After the new ones are installed, you need a VERY skilled person to weld it back together, to within .001" tolerance of where it was.

Get it wrong, or cause even the slightest damage while you're cutting and welding.....and you just bought a $12k transmission unfortunately.

I'd be interested to see someone install these and push the PDK, then compare it to the levels of power we've seen that the stock clutches are capable of holding.
$12k is still cheaper than a built GTR transmission. There are Shep trans' that cost over $25k. And that's cheap for a big build
 
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$12k is still cheaper than a built GTR transmission. There are Shep trans' that cost over $25k. And that's cheap for a big build
I remember another GTR vendor building transmissions for $5-10k.
I can't remember the name of the vendor.

Were the long term results not good forcing everyone back to Shep?

I would probably buy a used or new PDK if mine went bad after warranty based on what I'm hearing from Tom.
 
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I remember another GTR vendor building transmissions for $5-10k.
I can't remember the name of the vendor.

Were the long term results not good forcing everyone back to Shep?

I would probably buy a used or new PDK if mine went bad after warranty based on what I'm hearing from Tom.
There are a variety of transmission builds. There are the full blown Shep Stage 4 or Stage 5 transmissions or the basic circlip and basket upgrades that are pretty cheap. The GTR starts having issues in the trans once you go above 650wtq (around there). So depending on what you want done in the trans you can get a "cheap" build or something huge.

Shep is good, Ivey is good. They are the known quantities in the GTR worlds so people just tend to stick with them (aka their tuners/builders use them so the customer just does what they say). The same way that people in the Porsche community tend to stick with known quantities. It's not that someone else isn't good, it's just that nobody knows them and nobody wants to be the one to take the plunge and try out something new. The "new" guy in the GTR world of Trans' is "Jacks Transmissions". He comes in much cheaper than Shep and Ivey and people that have his stuff seem to be happy, but there are people mentioning issues that they've had, that have been swept under the rug. Time will tell how he pans out
 
Old Oct 15, 2014 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom@Champion
It will most likely be worse. Unlike the GTR, the Porsche PDK is "non-serviceable" which means Porsche never intended for the clutches to see the light of day. In order to change them, you need to basically cut open the transmission. After the new ones are installed, you need a VERY skilled person to weld it back together, to within .001" tolerance of where it was.

Get it wrong, or cause even the slightest damage while you're cutting and welding.....and you just bought a $12k transmission unfortunately.

I'd be interested to see someone install these and push the PDK, then compare it to the levels of power we've seen that the stock clutches are capable of holding.

Can you elaborate with detail?? By the way, I know Robert @ FP very well. He said to give you a call when I go nuts with mods. LOL
 
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It all depends what you are trying to do with it. The trans in the Alpha Omega GTR is probably $30-$40k depending.

I would bet that the PDK will have a higher torque handling ceiling before the price goes to plaid.
 
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The DFI motor had more issues reaching high hp. Tear apart the tranny to change a non serviceable clutch? Sounds like a waste of time and money. Have yet to hear anyone on the board with a pdk clutch issue. Bring the software mod!
 
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Originally Posted by ryem3
The DFI motor had more issues reaching high hp. Tear apart the tranny to change a non serviceable clutch? Sounds like a waste of time and money. Have yet to hear anyone on the board with a pdk clutch issue. Bring the software mod!
I think there are people that want to go high horsepower and are being limited by the transmission (amongst other things), so this solution is there. People are wanting to do things are being prevented to do so. Imagine a PDK car with 800whp. Would be a monster
 
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A worked over PDK car with secondary port injection, good fuel, Forced Performance Super94 (94mm HTA) turbos, properly setup engine, heads, cams, intercoolers, etc. could be a candidate for 2000whp and go Lamborghini hunting...
 
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Pdk clutches are not serviceable as some stated and welding would be required. It is what it is.
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
Pdk clutches are not serviceable as some stated and welding would be required. It is what it is.
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Something like this?

http://www.sspperformance.com/porsch...ch-basket.html
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
Pdk clutches are not serviceable as some stated and welding would be required. It is what it is.
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Have you picked up your .2 turbo yet? Did you go PDK?
 
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Just an FYI...the picture they are using on their website is not of any product they're developing. It's actually just a cropped version of a picture they stole from our Flickr page.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/champi...7624484124039/

Here's the original...

 
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Originally Posted by Tom@Champion
Just an FYI...the picture they are using on their website is not of any product they're developing. It's actually just a cropped version of a picture they stole from our Flickr page.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/champi...7624484124039/

Here's the original...

That's funny. I wasn't endorsing them as a vendor, but more for what they (appeared) to have laid out on the table.
 


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