Yup, we are talking about the same thing here. The email excerpts posted above are from the NHRA. The track you're talking about is Yas. Why on Earth would a track of that caliber not renew since 2012?
http://www.porscheboost.com/content....3-bolt-on-pass

The BIC dragstrip has never been certified/licensed. It's just part of the NHRA worldwide program, which is about training etc. They are like an affiliate. They are certified by the FIA, but I'm pretty close to 100% sure that jurisdiction extends only to the F1 track.

These 'record' cars will never run at an internationally sanctioned event. You'd think they would be the FIRST to pack up their cars and go run them in Texas to destroy everyone, but they never do... Funny.

 

Exactly. And it is funny none of them run a Vbox with all of the doubters.

 

What is an internationally sanctioned event exactly? only USA based events? Texas, MIR etc...

Why should we come to Texas to prove some results? Should i bring all my cars there to make them legit?

Take your 10min and make a research in internet about our achievements since 2008.

You will see real world results, vbox runs, gopro highway runs, rolling races, some dyno numbers, drag strip runs from differenent cities, countries ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Sorry but nobody needs to spend 20.000usd to bring the car to Texas just to make you say "oh they were not bs about this".

 

I dont have a dog in the fight but I have to agree with Emre on this one regarding coming to the US to prove it.

Furthermore, honestly who gives a **** if they claim to have the fastest XXX car? In reality it means nothing other than a di$k measuring contest.

There is no noble prize or reward for being the fastest Porsche or GTR or Lambo or scooter.

These same arguements used to happen in high school as well, I guess some never out grow it...........

 

You are partly correct but IT DOES MATTER if company A markets products based off the skewed results... no-one is suggesting the company in this case is doing anything wrong just that said results are not official from said track and yes a simple vbox and video would clear up the confusion as would a breakdown of the exact mods

 

wolfhedge, I agree completely much like everything with cars....trust but verify.

No one believes the "twister" will add 50hp or that magnets will give 20% mpg increases...

 

Sure, sending a car from the Middle East to the States would be unrealistic, but why couldn't you partner with someone in the US to install your parts and represent you at an event (or drag strip etc). You could discount the parts to your cost or a little above, provide support, and get a ton of attention by having said vehicle with your package perform in the States. If it worked as planned, I don't see how this couldn't be a win-win for ES Motor. Plus, it wouldn't really cost anything out of pocket. On top of that, it would open up a whole new customer base in the US. Seems like a logical business solution to me.

 

Have followed this story on both here and the "991 turbo" forum and my $0.02... First, only the Yas Marina drag strip was confirmed to have mis-calibrated timing equipment, so it's fair to suspect/invalidate times from that track alone since the last known calibration (which appears to be 2012). Other Middle East tracks & times should not be tainted by an issue on a single track.

Second, even in the US, track results can vary! Here in NJ, some tracks are known as "fast" tracks (e.g., ATCO) while others are known to be less forgiving (e.g., E-Town Raceway)...the same car under similar conditions has been known to trap 0.3 secs quicker and 2-3mph faster at ATCO vs. E-Town (track prep & conditions are a factor in this example). Bringing a ME car to the U.S. isn't necessarily the answer, ensuring that the track is properly accredited and current on its equipment calibration and certifications is the answer. The formula Speed = Distance/Time is as true in Japan as it is in Germany, Bahrain or Texas.

Finally a lot of factors contribute to a great 1/4 mile run on a tuned car with similar bolt-ons; the tune (obviously), tire selection, tire pressures, track prep, DA, ambient temps, weight reduction, driver ability etc...anyone buying an ECU tune based solely on 1/4 mile "records" or published trap times hasn't done their research. Heck some of these cars are purpose built and not true DDs. Consistency and Reliability should be up there along with promised HP & TQ gains with tuner experience and responsive customer service not far behind...

 

Well said.

In the past we could look to the vBox as the measuring stick because all the data can be analyzed/verified. Now with Pencilgeek conceding that some people have figured out how to manipulate, we have nothing sacred any longer other than a side by side race.

 

Again well said. I would like to know how much the doubters would like to take off the BIC track times? 1-2 secs? how much? I would agree with Emre as well. Why dont all you great US drivers and "builders" complaining , spend the 20k and go bust their records? Goes both ways. Everyone wants to demand others come to their house. Why don't you bring it to them.

 

Agree 100%, a side-by-side race is the ultimate judge! in spite of some people "cracking" the vbox, it would be nice if tuners/builders posted vbox data of their record setting runs for comparitive analytical purposes.

While I don't disagree that 'records' are used as marketing tools to sell product (ECU tunes and performance packages), many a times it is simply about bragging rights (and there is nothing wrong with that)! Why not make your claim of "fastest" 997.1TT, 997.2TT, 991TT etc with as much supporting data as possible...?! It just strengthens the record.

Either way, I enjoy hearing/reading about record setting runs and tuners/builders who push these amazing cars of ours to their limits!

 

nope!

 

Took me a while to see this one.

We actually do this quite a bit with EK's Supra program and others. Engines are serviced here in the states and our driver and crew fly over to run the car in Bahrain. We actually built EK's car in house in Orlando and tested it at a few tracks here in the US privately. We have 4 years worth of data on the car, it's engines, changes ,etc. We've also run the engines here in different chassis to test tune-ups and new parts and never had any discrepancies that one would find "suspect". You have to understand that these cars have quite a bit of data to verify after each run (wheel speed / drive speed / GPS, etc) and we've never seen a discrepancy with the Bahrain track, it's as world class as it gets and quite honestly I'd put it up with even the best tracks here in the US (and I've traveled to quite a few of them in my day). I can't speak for Yas but if a record happens at BIC, it's good enough for me.

 

Being a 6speed member for over 11 years and having gotten into mid 9s with a stock Ecu on my 996, all I can say is , I watch some videos from the Middle East and when a car stands at the light for .5 seconds and still runs a 9.1 sec it does make me look at the video that much Closer.
We too can pop wheelies in the states and it's on a stock Ecu 6speed

 

Mark,

If you are going to speak about stock ecu results, let me remind you some facts.

when we make a wheelie it was the stock ecu with electronic boost controller.

9.09 sec @ 1/4 mile. you can watch the video on youtube.

We also made 60-130 in 3.29sec still with stock ecu 2 years ago. (without brake boosting)

If you want to see our stock ecu accomplishments, you can find all in 997tt thread.

cheers