997 Turbo / GT2 2006–2012 Turbo discussion on the 997 model Porsche 911 Twin Turbo.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: HBI Auto

Knock knock; who's there?

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Jun 25, 2015 | 06:17 PM
  #16  
roncooper's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 154
Rep Power: 47
roncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond repute
Knock knock; who's there?

Originally Posted by SamboTT@ByDesign
My machining days are over buddy. I'm passing the load on you haha
Remember this super hot summer is not helping anything.
I know I agree the IC will be the solution. It's just a lot of fun sorting these problems. And when I write my review of the IC I'll have quantitative data to support it
 
Old Jun 25, 2015 | 07:04 PM
  #17  
roncooper's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 154
Rep Power: 47
roncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond repute
Old Jun 25, 2015 | 09:55 PM
  #18  
SamboTT@ByDesign's Avatar
Former Vendor
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,901
From: L.A.
Rep Power: 0
SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !
+1
Great info for all. Will take a look
 
Old Jun 25, 2015 | 11:02 PM
  #19  
elite1's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,321
From: Colorado
Rep Power: 134
elite1 Is a GOD !elite1 Is a GOD !elite1 Is a GOD !elite1 Is a GOD !elite1 Is a GOD !elite1 Is a GOD !elite1 Is a GOD !elite1 Is a GOD !elite1 Is a GOD !elite1 Is a GOD !elite1 Is a GOD !
Whoa, I feel much better about my data logging concerns now.


Does your car perform? Do you notice any unusual noise? This noise may sound like an electrical pulse.


Have you installed any motor mounts or tranny mounts on this car?
 
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 06:13 AM
  #20  
roncooper's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 154
Rep Power: 47
roncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond repute
Knock knock; who's there?

Originally Posted by elite1
Whoa, I feel much better about my data logging concerns now.


Does your car perform? Do you notice any unusual noise? This noise may sound like an electrical pulse.


Have you installed any motor mounts or tranny mounts on this car?
Well I don't have anything to really compare it to as I'm not sure what this particular is supposed to feel like with these modifications.

No I have factory mounts and the car doesn't make any noise like that at all.
 
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 07:53 AM
  #21  
proTUNING Freaks's Avatar
Former Vendor
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 864
From: Toronto - Chicago
Rep Power: 0
proTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond repute
FWIW your intake temps in the first two logs aren't as bad. Intercoolers are a great upgrade on the 997.1 but that won't solve your issues as its happening when your IATs are in the 70F range it seems given your 2nd log posted. What I'd do in this case is dial back your timing in the 6k area. Its targeting around 18* there currently and DME pulls it down to 9. You can see your lambda spike lean in that instant for a split moment. What's the mileage on your plugs? There are a few more things to try but my suggestion would be to cover these first.
 

Last edited by proTUNING Freaks; Jun 26, 2015 at 07:55 AM.
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 08:02 AM
  #22  
roncooper's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 154
Rep Power: 47
roncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond reputeroncooper has a reputation beyond repute
Knock knock; who's there?

Originally Posted by proTUNING Freaks
FWIW your intake temps in the first two logs aren't as bad. Intercoolers are a great upgrade on the 997.1 but that won't solve your issues as its happening when your IATs are in the 70F range it seems given your 2nd log posted. What I'd do in this case is dial back your timing in the 6k area. Its targeting around 18* there currently and DME pulls it down to 9. You can see your lambda spike lean in that instant for a split moment. What's the mileage on your plugs? There are a few more things to try but my suggestion would be to cover these first.
The plugs have less than 19k on them. So what I've done thus far today is put some 102 in the car and I'll log this fuel with the 93 stage 2
Map and work my maps down till I get to the 91 stage 1.
 
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	photo454.jpg
Views:	75
Size:	4.70 MB
ID:	422828  
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 09:16 AM
  #23  
proTUNING Freaks's Avatar
Former Vendor
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 864
From: Toronto - Chicago
Rep Power: 0
proTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond repute
Good idea, give that a shot and report back. Let the fuel mix, drive for about 10 minutes before logging WOT.
 
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 01:22 PM
  #24  
ctony66's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 471
From: new york
Rep Power: 92
ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 01:26 PM
  #25  
proTUNING Freaks's Avatar
Former Vendor
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 864
From: Toronto - Chicago
Rep Power: 0
proTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ctony66
This doesn't look great at all and definitely could use some cleanup work for your octane. What map and octane are you running?
 
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 01:29 PM
  #26  
SamboTT@ByDesign's Avatar
Former Vendor
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,901
From: L.A.
Rep Power: 0
SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !SamboTT@ByDesign Is a GOD !
If you log many 997TT tunes you will find this. Especially stage 2 and so on depending on altitude, fuel quality, hardware/condition and so on. That's why many of us can go in and dial in for your specific car and conditions. I would wait until your hardware is all in. I bet stage 1 will be cleaner. Then we can see a better picture of why and get in for custom tuning. It can def run better like Dzenno mentioned.
 

Last edited by SamboTT@ByDesign; Jun 26, 2015 at 02:26 PM.
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 02:23 PM
  #27  
ctony66's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 471
From: new york
Rep Power: 92
ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !
I'm running the 93oct stage 2. Sunoco fuel. Never tried the stage 1 to see how it ran.
The only other mod's I may do would be cat delete and if I find a deal on a set of turbo's .
 
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 02:58 PM
  #28  
A418t81's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 581
From: Southeast
Rep Power: 128
A418t81 Is a GOD !A418t81 Is a GOD !A418t81 Is a GOD !A418t81 Is a GOD !A418t81 Is a GOD !A418t81 Is a GOD !A418t81 Is a GOD !A418t81 Is a GOD !A418t81 Is a GOD !A418t81 Is a GOD !A418t81 Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by ctony66
I'm running the 93oct stage 2. Sunoco fuel. Never tried the stage 1 to see how it ran.
The only other mod's I may do would be cat delete and if I find a deal on a set of turbo's .
Are you sure that you flashed the pump gas map in? The very millisecond you hit the throttle and go wide open, your timing correction goes through the roof even at like 1-3 pounds of boost.

I would reflash the car to make absolutely certain. I can't tell what your absolute timing numbers are since that isn't logged, but your car is very unhappy the second you go full throttle regardless of boost level. Your FPR line has not detached based on the logs.

I would re-download the map from cobb and flash it back into your AccessPort and then reflash the car for starters. If it continues to have that much timing correction, it'll be time to look into hardware issues.

Just as a comparison, on my 6.7 60-130 run on 93 octane, my car was running 22 psi across the board with ZERO timing correction. -2.5 to 5 deg or so is usually the tune needing a bit of clean-up...You start getting up to the 8-10 deg correction range and there's a serious underlying issue or straight up wrong tune for the octane being run.
 
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 03:03 PM
  #29  
proTUNING Freaks's Avatar
Former Vendor
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 864
From: Toronto - Chicago
Rep Power: 0
proTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond reputeproTUNING Freaks has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by A418t81
Are you sure that you flashed the pump gas map in? The very millisecond you hit the throttle and go wide open, your timing correction goes through the roof even at like 1-3 pounds of boost.

I would reflash the car to make absolutely certain. I can't tell what your absolute timing numbers are since that isn't logged, but your car is very unhappy the second you go full throttle regardless of boost level. Your FPR line has not detached based on the logs.

I would re-download the map from cobb and flash it back into your AccessPort and then reflash the car for starters. If it continues to have that much timing correction, it'll be time to look into hardware issues.

Just as a comparison, on my 6.7 60-130 run on 93 octane, my car was running 22 psi across the board with ZERO timing correction. -2.5 to 5 deg or so is usually the tune needing a bit of clean-up...You start getting up to the 8-10 deg correction range and there's a serious underlying issue or straight up wrong tune for the octane being run.
Concur.
 
Old Jun 26, 2015 | 03:23 PM
  #30  
ctony66's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 471
From: new york
Rep Power: 92
ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !ctony66 Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by A418t81
Are you sure that you flashed the pump gas map in? The very millisecond you hit the throttle and go wide open, your timing correction goes through the roof even at like 1-3 pounds of boost.

I would reflash the car to make absolutely certain. I can't tell what your absolute timing numbers are since that isn't logged, but your car is very unhappy the second you go full throttle regardless of boost level. Your FPR line has not detached based on the logs.

I would re-download the map from cobb and flash it back into your AccessPort and then reflash the car for starters. If it continues to have that much timing correction, it'll be time to look into hardware issues.

Just as a comparison, on my 6.7 60-130 run on 93 octane, my car was running 22 psi across the board with ZERO timing correction. -2.5 to 5 deg or so is usually the tune needing a bit of clean-up...You start getting up to the 8-10 deg correction range and there's a serious underlying issue or straight up wrong tune for the octane being run.
I appreciate the info. I would assume its the correct map because I talked to Mitch about a cell issue for o2's and sent him logs. When you say hardware issue are we talking chains,Turbos or mis adjustments in the valve train type stuff.? Or is my engine just tired (43k).
Thanks again for the input everyone.
This is the last log I did
http://www.datazap.me/u/ctony/log-14...2?log=0&data=3
 

Last edited by ctony66; Jun 26, 2015 at 03:34 PM. Reason: add log


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:24 PM.