+1, my Protomotive E85 A30s 997.1TT has no chance from a dig against any stock 997.2 PDK, but kills easily all tuned or not 997.2/991TTS we met from a roll on run. (About 800crankhp, sub 5' 60-130, sub 8' 60-150 @1,55Bar)
Nevertheless, adam's car must be one of the most efficient 997.2TTS on earth...

 

You have a vid of your 997.1 racing and beating Efi's car?

 

He didn't let off. He hit it in 2nd gear and then shifted to 3rd gear.

The point of my post was simply to ask you about your statement because it appeared to me that you said with the same aftermarket mods, a 6MT will beat a PDK, which sounded odd. Because it's not possible. There are some 3.8 DI motors with manual transmissions, and so apples to apples with the same mods, they will never be as fast as their PDK counterparts.

Of course the 3.6L 6MT cars can do more mods due to the trans and fuel system. We all know that. That is a different platform altogether.

 

Have to mention, my 996 (old setup 3076's, proto tune, blow thru, E85 at 29psi and mid 750whp) would walk away hard on my 997 PDK with Giac tune C-16 and very similar mods to yours. We did it 50 times to confirm .

Something in the vid feels off, just sayin

 

The other thing about the Panamera is that it has a different engine. It's a beast too.

 

Well in fact Anthony did walk away from me hard when I had the GIAC tune, IPD plenum and race gas. See at 4:45 mark of the vid below:



But after adding intercoolers, BBI exhaust and Y pipe, and reflash to 9-second file (and by the way, there are a few versions of this 9-sec file...not all GIAC 997.2 stage 2 cars are created equal ). Then the race got much closer:




So you ask well maybe that was a fluke. Ok so check out this race against another 997.1...this time a built 3.8 litre with 3076's. See at 3:30:




I have other vids which prove the point. And by the way my car is a lot faster now. You can see on the race against Kong I was fuel cutting at 150mph toward the end of the race. That has since been fixed. Car is running incredibly well.


I think you guys forget that my car is not like any other 997.2. Saying that someone else has similar mods is simply not comparable. How many others are running 30psi mid-range? The only comparable car is Efi's. We have basically the same tune. He's on 68's and I'm on stock turbos...but we are both pushing the fueling limits and our cars have quite a bit more than any other 997.2 out there.

 

No, not sure who Efi is but this car that I mentioned didn't run the 30psi tune you have right now. It was a tune set for 68s and all boltons on race gas, 23psi I believe. Quite ballsy you're pushing it that hard in midrange on the stock rods Did you get a chance to try a 60-130 pass since you loaded the new tune?

 

All I am saying - 230whp difference, if in fact correct and driven properly 6-speed would walk away, hard.

I know your .2 is faster and no I do not run the the 30 psi tune.
Keeping in mind I compared my 996 6-speed and .2 PDK with roughly 150-200whp less, it was nowhere close.

 

I mean...


which planet have you been on for the last 7 years?






of course the .2 PDK shifts much faster. and you think that's fast?


991 PDK feels lightyears quicker.









Long live the Third pedal !!!!!!!

 

Efi and I both have very large capacity meth systems. I would doubt there is any other 997.2 in the world making the power we are. Only Efi and I have a tune that provides 30psi in the mid-range. He's on Champion 68's, and I'm on stock turbos. Our extra power is coming from the extra fueling. And the tuning expertise of GIAC. If meth doesn't flow, we are very safe.

If you raced someone else, even with a GIAC tune and 68's, it's not making the power that Efi and I are making.

I haven't done a glory run 60-130 with this set up. I was driving home one evening and for some reason I was in a pocket with no traffic and I took advantage of the situation...inserted the SD card in the vBox and busted out a 6.3, 6.4 and 6.5 right in a row. It was warm, minimal slope, pump gas. This thing has high- and possibly mid-5's in it if I actually try.

 

The thread intention by op was to mention how crazy pdk feels coming from a manual . Was in same situation myself tiptronic to pdk . Also pdk can do a lot with less , thats what longboarder tried to say but everyone brough a stupid exuse that their zillion hp p car is faster , well not everybody goes full engine built , most of us stay fbo

 

Amen. There is an acceleration advantage for certain. How much HP is it worth? That's the question. The answer is that it depends because if it's a 1/4 mile race, it may be a 200+ HP advantage. On a roll-on starting at 100mph going to 150mph, it may only need a 50 HP advantage or less. For a more traditional 1/2 mile roll-on race starting at 40-50 mph, somewhere north of 50...maybe 100.

 

Same reason GTR's with 100hp less than me would out-trap me by 7-10mph and jump on me quick after the launch.

If I am not smashing my gears, shift time is probably 1.5-2 seconds, versus the 200ms it takes the PDK to shift in a 997

I'll never argue with the efficiency of a PDK, it shifts 6-10x faster and that time makes all the difference.

 

The original statement was more like "230 more wheel HP" essentially not being correct, hence people starting to chime in.

 

1.5-2 second shift times during a race??