997.1 Turbo Intercooler upgrade - another great alternative
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do88 should just engineer their product better. Set the goal of beating the 997.2 units and get to work!
Even IF they price them exactly at the OEM price....the fact that it is plug in play would be worth it. Heck...it might even be worth a premium.
Even IF they price them exactly at the OEM price....the fact that it is plug in play would be worth it. Heck...it might even be worth a premium.
Grumpy you were! 
In terms the 'they suck compared to OEM 997.2 units' comment I'll say it is an unfair statement to do88 given no comparison data was provided there and you can't possibly know if they suck in comparison as comparison has never been made.
997.2 Turbo isn't/wasn't the target platform for this intercooler upgrade and hence no data from do88 on that front. OEM 997.2 intercoolers are great units and they're certainly a great option for some people but they have their shortcomings in fitment which is far from straight bolt-on on either the 996 or 997.1. In fact many aftermarket units for these cars aren't bolt-on and involve trimming the plastic intercooler ducting. Other than that, plastic end tanks should really be epoxied to ensure they don't pop off under high boost (not pretty and may not be done right by your average DIY-er and in most cases just looks like something that shouldn't be done on a 911 turbo) and you need to invent a way to secure them with zip ties/wire etc. Believe it or not, many people out there do not want to be doing that and find that they shouldn't be doing that with their cars.
At the end of the day this to us is another very well designed bolt on option that brings considerable value at a very reasonable cost especially when coupled in a package with their already proven silicone inlet pipes.
In terms the 'they suck compared to OEM 997.2 units' comment I'll say it is an unfair statement to do88 given no comparison data was provided there and you can't possibly know if they suck in comparison as comparison has never been made.
997.2 Turbo isn't/wasn't the target platform for this intercooler upgrade and hence no data from do88 on that front. OEM 997.2 intercoolers are great units and they're certainly a great option for some people but they have their shortcomings in fitment which is far from straight bolt-on on either the 996 or 997.1. In fact many aftermarket units for these cars aren't bolt-on and involve trimming the plastic intercooler ducting. Other than that, plastic end tanks should really be epoxied to ensure they don't pop off under high boost (not pretty and may not be done right by your average DIY-er and in most cases just looks like something that shouldn't be done on a 911 turbo) and you need to invent a way to secure them with zip ties/wire etc. Believe it or not, many people out there do not want to be doing that and find that they shouldn't be doing that with their cars.
At the end of the day this to us is another very well designed bolt on option that brings considerable value at a very reasonable cost especially when coupled in a package with their already proven silicone inlet pipes.
Just a quick update on the install and fitment and here are complete install instructions we just received from do88. If you look at Step 16 of the document the edges at the mounting brackets do in fact need a trim and be taken out but that is all that is required to make them fit as well as shown in the pictures provided.
http://www.do88.se/bilder/artiklar/pdf/ICM-200.pdf
http://www.do88.se/bilder/artiklar/pdf/ICM-200.pdf
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Just a quick update on the install and fitment and here are complete install instructions we just received from do88. If you look at Step 16 of the document the edges at the mounting brackets do in fact need a trim and be taken out but that is all that is required to make them fit as well as shown in the pictures provided.
http://www.do88.se/bilder/artiklar/pdf/ICM-200.pdf
http://www.do88.se/bilder/artiklar/pdf/ICM-200.pdf
it would be nice to see all of the intercoolers tested in one place. the same way. will that ever happen? - no. important thing is increase in performance over stock not over other options. once you get into one manufacturer testing and comparing other manufacturers products, you get into some muddy waters. the right way for manufacturers to post is vs stock and independent testers or shops can take it further to validate manufacturers claims.
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997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
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it would be nice to see all of the intercoolers tested in one place. the same way. will that ever happen? - no. important thing is increase in performance over stock not over other options. once you get into one manufacturer testing and comparing other manufacturers products, you get into some muddy waters. the right way for manufacturers to post is vs stock and independent testers or shops can take it further to validate manufacturers claims.
Comparing with AWE is potentially messy, and they still did it.
that's correct.
some people have a constant need to reassure themselves and show others that the option they have is the best out there. sounds like you are a big fan of the oem .2 coolers, which is cool. i only say that because you are all to quick to draw conclusions and put a product down just because they didnt provide a chart you wanted to see.
fact is that they are not for everyone and they come apart and have hose issues. biggest reason they come apart is the cores dont flow enough to support some of the upgraded turbos, too much pressure builds up in the lower end tank and it breaks. that will not happen with metal coolers, also you get rid of those stupid unreliable pop in connectors with c clips.
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
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I dont post much, but I have to say these do look like a nice set of intercoolers. I must also laugh at all the post about 997.2 intercoolers. I would never put a set of 997.2's on my car, they have way to many problems from the cores leaking, the ****ty clips, and they blow apart. Why buy something you have to put JB weld to fix them before you even use them. You can talk about cooling all you want but there is no way a 997.2 can drop iat better then a pair of 6 inch intercoolers. You can jack off to logs all you want, but they dont mean anything unless they were done on the same day by the same car at all the same conditions.
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or they did not have access to them?
that's correct.
some people have a constant need to reassure themselves and show others that the option they have is the best out there. sounds like you are a big fan of the oem .2 coolers, which is cool. i only say that because you are all to quick to draw conclusions and put a product down just because they didnt provide a chart you wanted to see.
fact is that they are not for everyone and they come apart and have hose issues. biggest reason they come apart is the cores dont flow enough to support some of the upgraded turbos, too much pressure builds up in the lower end tank and it breaks. that will not happen with metal coolers, also you get rid of those stupid unreliable pop in connectors with c clips.
that's correct.
some people have a constant need to reassure themselves and show others that the option they have is the best out there. sounds like you are a big fan of the oem .2 coolers, which is cool. i only say that because you are all to quick to draw conclusions and put a product down just because they didnt provide a chart you wanted to see.
fact is that they are not for everyone and they come apart and have hose issues. biggest reason they come apart is the cores dont flow enough to support some of the upgraded turbos, too much pressure builds up in the lower end tank and it breaks. that will not happen with metal coolers, also you get rid of those stupid unreliable pop in connectors with c clips.
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
997TT SlowBerry - 205.0 mph 1/2 Mile WR Nov 2018, 9.7 @ 170 mph 1/4 Mile , 3.2 60-130 mph , 2.4 100-150 mph , 1420whp E85
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How they compare to the Wagner tuning which are bigger, a proven brand, 9$ less map ?
http://www.wagner-tuning.com/Perform...075_p_213.html
http://www.wagner-tuning.com/Perform...075_p_213.html
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A couple of things....
The cores of both the d088 and Wagner ICs appear to be identical, and don't look
like Bell cores. They do look like Taiwanese products, which are, frankly, very good in
general. The welds on both also look well done.
I am puzzled by the Wagner's two sets of mounting points. The extra weight and cost
are there for a reason--what is it?
Neither d088 nor Wagner reveal country of manufacture. Surely it ain't Sweden, is it ?
Lastly, to the OEM 997.2 fans... how do you justify ignoring the very large pressure
drop, and the quite odd construction, which has produced many problems?
Kudos to prodigymb. Smart guy, there.
The cores of both the d088 and Wagner ICs appear to be identical, and don't look
like Bell cores. They do look like Taiwanese products, which are, frankly, very good in
general. The welds on both also look well done.
I am puzzled by the Wagner's two sets of mounting points. The extra weight and cost
are there for a reason--what is it?
Neither d088 nor Wagner reveal country of manufacture. Surely it ain't Sweden, is it ?
Lastly, to the OEM 997.2 fans... how do you justify ignoring the very large pressure
drop, and the quite odd construction, which has produced many problems?
Kudos to prodigymb. Smart guy, there.
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The same IC can be used in both 996 and 997. Cradles are a bit different.
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A couple of things....
The cores of both the d088 and Wagner ICs appear to be identical, and don't look
like Bell cores. They do look like Taiwanese products, which are, frankly, very good in
general. The welds on both also look well done.
I am puzzled by the Wagner's two sets of mounting points. The extra weight and cost
are there for a reason--what is it?
Neither d088 nor Wagner reveal country of manufacture. Surely it ain't Sweden, is it ?
Lastly, to the OEM 997.2 fans... how do you justify ignoring the very large pressure
drop, and the quite odd construction, which has produced many problems?
Kudos to prodigymb. Smart guy, there.
The cores of both the d088 and Wagner ICs appear to be identical, and don't look
like Bell cores. They do look like Taiwanese products, which are, frankly, very good in
general. The welds on both also look well done.
I am puzzled by the Wagner's two sets of mounting points. The extra weight and cost
are there for a reason--what is it?
Neither d088 nor Wagner reveal country of manufacture. Surely it ain't Sweden, is it ?
Lastly, to the OEM 997.2 fans... how do you justify ignoring the very large pressure
drop, and the quite odd construction, which has produced many problems?
Kudos to prodigymb. Smart guy, there.
Sure for a pushed beyond sane vtg turbo with high high egt's plastic end tanks prob isn't great. But once again, how many stock 997.2's or even gt2rs has IC quality issues?
And of course for the quick 60-100 or 60-130 pull or 1/4 mile some large free flowing heatsinks must be great, especially if running meth for cooling.
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