997.1 TT manual coupe vs 997.1 GT3 long term value?
#17
04-24-2016, 07:49 PM
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John, a reasonably modded 997.1 can run circles around a stock .2 so if speed is what you are looking for you have many options. A .1 also has more tuning upside (currently at least) than a .2 if you really want to get crazy. If you want pdk in your 2nd one than it is all a moot point however.
#18
04-24-2016, 09:10 PM
At the moment, the fastest car is the most collectible - the 918. You could have bought one for $1mm, now it'll cost you $1.5 mm. Why isn't the faster car more collectible? For that matter, I'd also take a 991 GT3RS for its $200k sticker if you'd like to sell it to me - because I can flip it for $300k. Neither of these cars are 6 speed. I'll even go down to the GT3, which you can only get used for the original MSRP.
My point for discussion, which I knew full well would be controversial, is that 6 speed "collectability" may reach a tipping point. What are other new "classics"? The cars I referenced have values simply because there aren't very many of them. What's craziest is that the GT3RS is STILL in production! How exclusive is that? You can't get them, because they've all been picked up by the new Porsche VIP owners club - people that bought the 918. Did the 918 help the brand? Not sure, maybe it has ruined the brand.
Sure, I now own a PDK, but I've owned plenty of manuals, included an '08 turbo. I've also modified plenty of cars. Faster stock is much better than faster modded. Given the limited history of modded .2's, ultimate performance is still to be seen. Check out Longboarder's threads - the .2 potential is incredible.
If you want a collector car, get one of the one's I've mentioned. I couldn't tell you if you are the one buying at the top of the market or just before the market takes off.
#19
04-25-2016, 06:18 PM
Not sure what the point is here.
At the moment, the fastest car is the most collectible - the 918. You could have bought one for $1mm, now it'll cost you $1.5 mm. Why isn't the faster car more collectible? For that matter, I'd also take a 991 GT3RS for its $200k sticker if you'd like to sell it to me - because I can flip it for $300k. Neither of these cars are 6 speed. I'll even go down to the GT3, which you can only get used for the original MSRP.
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At the moment, the fastest car is the most collectible - the 918. You could have bought one for $1mm, now it'll cost you $1.5 mm. Why isn't the faster car more collectible? For that matter, I'd also take a 991 GT3RS for its $200k sticker if you'd like to sell it to me - because I can flip it for $300k. Neither of these cars are 6 speed. I'll even go down to the GT3, which you can only get used for the original MSRP.
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Just maybe its supply / Demand ???
Last edited by TripleNet; 04-26-2016 at 04:52 AM.
#20
04-26-2016, 12:45 PM
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The current TT cars will never have the 'collectibility' of the older TT cars. 996 and 997TT's just will never have 930, 964, or 993's prices.
If you are looking for a car to drive and possibly appreciate a little bit you should probably get the GT3.
If you want something that is fast and sporty and somewhat affordable get the 997.1TT
If you are looking for a car to drive and possibly appreciate a little bit you should probably get the GT3.
If you want something that is fast and sporty and somewhat affordable get the 997.1TT
#21
04-26-2016, 01:47 PM
Just throwing my 2 cents ...but I've seen very clean modded supras ..go for way higher prices then stock original....it's what the market wants...I've also seen nicely done 993 turbos go for crazy prices....both these cars were not heavily modded but brought up to today's hoarse power standards ..
#22
04-30-2016, 04:24 PM
997.2TTS with less than 20k miles a year ago worth $110k to $120k, this year worth about $95k to $100k. Some 997.2TTS with more than 30k miles are going for low $90k in today market. As for 997.1TT less than 20k mile are holding their prices between $75k to $80k, actually 997.1TT prices has been creeping up lately. My 997.1TT bought 2 years ago with 9k miles for $77k, I've had multiple offers for my car at $85k with less than 12k miles on it. The thing about 997.1TT that would held their values are the right options such as Adaptive Seats, Sport Chrono, LSD, PCCB (may be not for some) low mileage with good service history and original paint (rare colors can bring more money). I see 997.2TTS prolly going for $80k to $90k with less than 30k miles by the early next year. By then, I would love to add 997.2TTS Cab to my stable and sell my current DD C63.
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#23
04-30-2016, 10:25 PM
997.2TTS with less than 20k miles a year ago worth $110k to $120k, this year worth about $95k to $100k. Some 997.2TTS with more than 30k miles are going for low $90k in today market. As for 997.1TT less than 20k mile are holding their prices between $75k to $80k, actually 997.1TT prices has been creeping up lately. My 997.1TT bought 2 years ago with 9k miles for $77k, I've had multiple offers for my car at $85k with less than 12k miles on it. The thing about 997.1TT that would held their values are the right options such as Adaptive Seats, Sport Chrono, LSD, PCCB (may be not for some) low mileage with good service history and original paint (rare colors can bring more money). I see 997.2TTS prolly going for $80k to $90k with less than 30k miles by the early next year. By then, I would love to add 997.2TTS Cab to my stable and sell my current DD C63.
Last edited by guab; 04-30-2016 at 10:37 PM.
#24
04-30-2016, 10:48 PM
I think we'll see 997.1 worth more than 997.2 in some short time. I've already seen cars with 40-50k miles (2010's) hit sub $80k. I think there was also a car that went for $80k that had right around 30k. 2010 and 2011 still had manual option, only the TTS forced you to auto (until 2012 anyway). 991 TT cars are dropping fast.. it will push down the 997.2 cars heavily.
#25
04-30-2016, 11:29 PM
Regarding manual cars...
Something we all need to consider is that even though fewer people can drive manual cars and less of them exist, there is a timeless component with them. What I mean is that; first there was auto, then tip, then PDK... and so on.
When the latest gen. transmission come out it completely dates the car.
To the point that it creates a negative driving experience. Our expectation of current technology directly impacts driving emotion.
A manual, is controlled by the driver.
As such when the next quadruple-hyper-drive-clutch comes out, the manual will still remain timeless and "current".
Something we all need to consider is that even though fewer people can drive manual cars and less of them exist, there is a timeless component with them. What I mean is that; first there was auto, then tip, then PDK... and so on.
When the latest gen. transmission come out it completely dates the car.
To the point that it creates a negative driving experience. Our expectation of current technology directly impacts driving emotion.
A manual, is controlled by the driver.
As such when the next quadruple-hyper-drive-clutch comes out, the manual will still remain timeless and "current".
#26
05-04-2016, 04:22 PM
Stats Borrowed from ED an informed Renlister
BTW The GT3 will be much better long term investment for sure
Elliot
Turbos built
2007 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 3,651
Percent MT/Tip = 67%/33%
Number built with MT >/= 2,434
Start of the Great Recession December 2007
2008 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 1,248
Percent MT/Tip = 50%/50%
Number built with MT >/= 624
2009 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 583
Percent MT/Tip = 39%/61%
Number built with MT >/= 226
All 2007 - 2009 Coupes
Number built with US VIN >/= 5,483
Percent MT/Tip = 60%/40%
Number built with MT >/= 3,284
Most Popular Exterior Colors of the 2007 - 2009 Coupes
Black 36%
Silver 24%
Gray 12%
White 10%
Followed by Blue (7%), Red (6%), Yellow (2%) and Orange (1%)
Note: I didn't break down the different shades of the colors shown above
Most Popular Interior Colors of the 2007 - 2009 Coupes
Black 64%
Beige 17%
Followed by Gray (6%), Red (5%), Cocoa (4%) and Terra-Cotta (2%)
Where to find 997.1 turbos for sale?
CA 28%
FL 20%
TX 8%
IL 5%
TN 5%
AZ 3%
MO 3%
Followed by 2% each
WA, OH, OR and SC
BTW The GT3 will be much better long term investment for sure
Elliot
Turbos built
2007 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 3,651
Percent MT/Tip = 67%/33%
Number built with MT >/= 2,434
Start of the Great Recession December 2007
2008 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 1,248
Percent MT/Tip = 50%/50%
Number built with MT >/= 624
2009 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 583
Percent MT/Tip = 39%/61%
Number built with MT >/= 226
All 2007 - 2009 Coupes
Number built with US VIN >/= 5,483
Percent MT/Tip = 60%/40%
Number built with MT >/= 3,284
Most Popular Exterior Colors of the 2007 - 2009 Coupes
Black 36%
Silver 24%
Gray 12%
White 10%
Followed by Blue (7%), Red (6%), Yellow (2%) and Orange (1%)
Note: I didn't break down the different shades of the colors shown above
Most Popular Interior Colors of the 2007 - 2009 Coupes
Black 64%
Beige 17%
Followed by Gray (6%), Red (5%), Cocoa (4%) and Terra-Cotta (2%)
Where to find 997.1 turbos for sale?
CA 28%
FL 20%
TX 8%
IL 5%
TN 5%
AZ 3%
MO 3%
Followed by 2% each
WA, OH, OR and SC
#27
05-04-2016, 05:02 PM
That is very informative, and I wonder if there is something similar for the GT3s since that is what the OP was inquiring about. I had seen these before but did not take the trouble of finding it and reposting. So with perhaps over 3000 997.1 turbos in the US with a manual transmission, it's not as if they are exceedingly rare. However, if someone is specifically looking for an '09, whether it is because they were the last year, the rarest, had the updated PCM, or for any other reason, those are clearly going to be harder to find. Assuming those numbers are in the right ballpark, there are over 10x the number of manual '07s than '09s.
#30
12-14-2016, 08:16 AM
I was really half joking. Rarity drives whether or not a car will be a collector's item. I think we are on the edge with manual cars. Indeed, there are less of them and they are appreciated. However, the simple fact is that less than 10% of licensed drivers can drive a manual - and that is an old stat. Probably even less now. So, while we all covet manual cars and they may become more rare, there are simply fewer people that will want them. It may be a collector's car, but you'll have a hard time selling it.
Why would a .2 be a collector? The '10-12 turbo series were produced in pretty small numbers (would like to see what they are again), because they were post crisis. Are they special? Well, not to make them worth a ton of money, but recognize that the .2 is a lot faster than a .1. Much more refined. 0-60 in 3 seconds is just epic and few cars today even hit the mark. As a car that will go that fast, it is an incredible bargain. And the PDK has proven itself very reliable. A collector? Maybe not. But it has now become an incredible performance bargain. You can get a nice .2 turbo for the price of an M4. Not tough to decide which is a better value.
Why would a .2 be a collector? The '10-12 turbo series were produced in pretty small numbers (would like to see what they are again), because they were post crisis. Are they special? Well, not to make them worth a ton of money, but recognize that the .2 is a lot faster than a .1. Much more refined. 0-60 in 3 seconds is just epic and few cars today even hit the mark. As a car that will go that fast, it is an incredible bargain. And the PDK has proven itself very reliable. A collector? Maybe not. But it has now become an incredible performance bargain. You can get a nice .2 turbo for the price of an M4. Not tough to decide which is a better value.
A .2 in 6 speed will be worth money, any model that is currently not offered in stick that has a manual equivalent will be worth money....... simple as that.