I have never owned a Porsche of any kind and have admired them from a distance. Currently my stable includes a Diablo 6.0 VT, LP640 Murci and Bentley GT. I really have decided that i want a 997.1 Porsche. I fully understand the difference between the two cars but same year, similar mileage the GT3 is bringing roughly $20k more compared to the Turbo coupe manual.

I have found a superb 2007 Turbo, coupe, manual, all the options including PCCM, IPE exhaust, 20k miles for $75k. I have also come across a 2007 GT3 white on black, with 14k miles, standard brakes, RS Clutch setup no over revs for $91k. So we are talking about a $16k difference not including tax.

So which would you pick? I dont sell my cars and this is something that I will keep at least 5-10 years. One part of me thinks GT3 will do better long term, but then I think of what the 993 Turbos have done and then I think save the $16k and get the car that maybe more enjoyable on the road with similar potential down the road I am not a Porsche expert, so I didnt know if the 997.1 GT3s have the same revered following as the later GT3s etc.

All inputs would be appreciated.



Here is a pic of the cars for your enjoyment

 

If you're looking for potential long-term appreciation, I'd look at the specific years within each generation as well. There are far more 2007 997.1 turbos than 2009s, so I'd guess the 2009s will probably be a bit more valuable given their relative rarity. Porsche prices are crazy, and I wish I would have gotten the 997 GT2 I saw a few years ago that seems to be twice as valuable today. Anything labeled as the "last of the X cars" seems to skyrocket (e.g. last of the air-cooled turbos, last of the manual turbos, last of the Mezger-engined GT3s, etc.), and prices seem to correlate highly with rarity. For the GT3s, I believe the 997.2 GT3s were still Mezger-engined cars with a manual option, so whichever year is the last of those would be where I'd look. I thought I read somewhere in this forum or Rennlist that there may have only been a few hundred 2009 997TT coupes in manual. I have no idea what the production numbers for the GT3s were, but I'd guess even fewer. I think you'll be hard pressed to find a 2009 997TT manual or a 997.2 GT3 manual in the 70s though.

 

Is there a site that shows production number by years and model ?

 

I don't believe so but there is someone here or RL that created a formula based on VIN and provides close enough data on what is available on the market. Not accurate but great baseline nontheless

 

http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=514

that shows sales figures for 2009 and 2008:

2009 Turbo coupes: 321
2008 Turbo coupes: 668

GT3's 2009: 360
GT3's 2008: 33

 

I wonder if Porsche has a similar release for transmission type for the 911 series

 

They do, I recall seeing it. I'll look again this weekend.

I believe it was ~44% manual transmission IIRC

 

I think the .2s are even more collectible, I think there were less made. Seriously, none of these cars really fall into collectible cars, there were too many made. You have a nice collection of cars you can't really drive. Get a turbo or gt3 and enjoy it!

 

^^^ You might be missing certain information that makes you believe .2 are rarer. As in 6 speed tranny?

 

^ Of course most people are just speculating, me included. However, I think the lack of a manual option and the fact that they were no longer Mezger-engined cars may limit the desirability of the .2s relative to the .1s. The clear devotion to the manual gearbox among Porsche-philes was recently acknowledged with the introduction of the 911R.

Should they bring back a manual option on the turbos as well, I do wonder if the 997.1s will see a dip in valuations.

 

Thank you for the picture Alpa, really enjoyed watching it! Line-up-wise, absolutely GT3. Investmentwise also. However, the GT will probably sit on your drive way or in your carage a lot if you get one. If you get the turbo you will most likely find out that the turbo will be your daily driver. If your interest draws you on race track, nothing beats the GT3. It is a rough ride around the streets though.

My speculation about the facts that will have a positive impact on value in the future are in following order

1. Unmodified, completely stock Porsche
2. Mezger -engine
3. Manual transmission

 

Do you guys thing if a GT3 is all stock minus having the RS wing being added would that hurt values?

 

No. If one wants to return the car to the glory it had when it first rolled out from the factory, replacing the wing with an OEM non RS unit is easy. Get the GT3 and buy an original wing and have it painted matching your car. Store the original wing and when it is time to sell, buyer will be even more attracted because now he/she can have both.

 

I was really half joking. Rarity drives whether or not a car will be a collector's item. I think we are on the edge with manual cars. Indeed, there are less of them and they are appreciated. However, the simple fact is that less than 10% of licensed drivers can drive a manual - and that is an old stat. Probably even less now. So, while we all covet manual cars and they may become more rare, there are simply fewer people that will want them. It may be a collector's car, but you'll have a hard time selling it.

Why would a .2 be a collector? The '10-12 turbo series were produced in pretty small numbers (would like to see what they are again), because they were post crisis. Are they special? Well, not to make them worth a ton of money, but recognize that the .2 is a lot faster than a .1. Much more refined. 0-60 in 3 seconds is just epic and few cars today even hit the mark. As a car that will go that fast, it is an incredible bargain. And the PDK has proven itself very reliable. A collector? Maybe not. But it has now become an incredible performance bargain. You can get a nice .2 turbo for the price of an M4. Not tough to decide which is a better value.

 

^^^a faster car doesn't make it more valuable. I disagree with your point of view due to the lack of true key points that differentiates between the two