All your links took what Porsche claimed and repeated it. They are not even conducting their own tests. If you notice they all repeat the 0-60mph at 3.7secs which is still slower than the manual that did 3.4secs.

 

From what I'm finding only C&D actually did independent tests on the 6 speed 911 TT. Not even Motor Trend has official tests from the U.S. 997 Turbos.

Quoted from Motor Trends website.

"Though we haven't yet attached the MT test gear (which will have happened by the time you read this), I can tell you: It's fast. Way fast. Though initial launch in a Tiptronic-equipped car (also a Turbo first) is a bit soft, it pulls mercilessly once the revs are up and boost checks in. And then there's that sound-smoother, a bit softer, not as raspy as in a pre-996 series 911, but still the hair-curling wail that comes only from a 911 Turbo. Any car with 415 hp and a 0-60 time in or around 4 sec deserves your attention, commands your respect, and serves up our kind of fun."

 

is it really suprising that an automatic would be faster then a manual in a straight line? Esp. w/ the speed these modern day auto's shift at?

 

I guess some of you are missing the point here. From independent reviews so far the Tip is the slower car.

 

who cares if tip is faster , only way a tip is justified is if its your wifes car PERIOD

 

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Tip is going to be faster. Its well known that turbo cars with an auto can more times than not be faster vs. their stick equivalents due to no boost falling off in between gears...not always of course but sometimes.

Coupled with the fact that the turbo can be 'brake launched' or whatever they called it allowing the boost to be built up prior to launch = faster than a 6 speed.

Once in a while you might get that perfect launch with some wheel spin in a 6 speed and keep up but I would be willing to bet 9/10 the tip would be faster 0-60. Note that 0-60 is probably the only stat its going to come out on top though.

 

i think you are referring to 'brake boosting' fyi.

 

Bottom line is, they set up the Tip in the 997tt for maximum performance, minimum lag and they did it well. I was even in a friends tip 996tt, and it felt faster than my car LOL, because the shifts are so fast and there's hardly any boostloss between changing gears, it was an illusion though! In the newer 997tt's though, the number's show!

 

I believe the tip IS faster in both the 996TT and the 997TT as well. Yes, if you dump the clutch and beat the hell out of your 6speed you might be the same as the tip, but for the regular person that cannot shift their car like a dirtbike,I think the tip will win many races.

 

996TT tip was considerably slower and not as advanced from what i have read, also the number's are faster on the 6spd 996tt opposed to the auto!

 

 

The quote above from Motor Trend is about the 996tt Tip. The giveaways that it's talking about the 996tt rather than the 997tt are: #1) "Tiptronic-equipped car (also a Turbo first)" is what the 996tt Tip was, the first turbo to have an automatic, and #2) "415 hp and a 0-60 time in or around 4 sec" are the hp figure and typical car mag reported 0-60 time for the 996tt Tip. This quote has no bearing on the performance of the 997tt.

I also have the C&D Sept '06 issue, and it does test the 997tt 6-sp MANUAL to 0-60 of 3.4sec. Although 0-60 seems to be the standard to quote for performance comparison, C&D also reports a "street-start", "rolling 5-60mph" time which eliminates the variable of driver performance (rolling at 5mph in 1st gear, then floor it). This 5-60mph time for the 997tt manual was 4.6 sec and for a 996tt cabriolet Tip tested by C&D in Sept '04 was 5.0 sec.

The rolling 5-60mph time is probably a more realistic real world "stoplight to stoplight" performance comparison, since drop-clutch launches are hard to get perfect every time (and attract unwanted attention). I don't know what the 997tt Tip 5-60 time is to compare it with the 6-sp manual 5-60 time.

The bottom line for me is, "buy what you like and enjoy what you have". A couple of tenths in 0-60 times is a small difference in day-to-day driving, and on the track that difference can be made up for by driver skill.

I have a 996tt, and if I could afford a new 997tt in either Tip or manual, I would love to have either one.

 

The MT run of 3.4 and 11.4 was for a 6spd IIRC

 

Check out the numerous posts on Rennteam as to why the tip is faster. It seems Porsche has tuned the tip version of the car with SC to deliver more boost than the six speed.