Ya think so?
Don't be so quick to assume. Not so much a "good two shoes" as an idealist to a degree. I was raised by a long line of Army Infantrymen, and a sense of duty as well as right and wrong. Never had a problem with taking my lumps for doing something stupid.

However, I do really like words like: Duty, honor, perseverence, loyalty, committment, strength, etc...

Perhaps thats my problem eh?

 

In NY you don't get pulled over unless you're 25+ over...


Of course, that only equates to 75-80

 

So everyone else is going faster and they are safe from tickets. You are going over the limit but slower than everyone else, and you are selected??


Yeah, I'd be pissed too.

 

As for safety I would like to give my 2 cents

Proberbly a little late, but it might be a good idea to look at the driving schools and the education they give to starting drivers (16?), and honoring foreign driver licenses for countries that give away licenses to everybody is not helping either.
It might also be better to have better regulation on at what age people are still allowed to drive.

Here in the South a lot of accidents happen due to 80/90+'s behind the wheel of big boats, making moves that are very difficult if not impossible to predict.

Speed does not kill, but stupidness on the road does, e.g. Germany might be a good example, the dead rate is lower and the speed is a lot higher, on roads that are more crowded and narrower than in the States

Overall lots of accidents could also be prevented if the "everybody keeps its lane (no matter what ?) rule" would be looked at more carefully, IMO the European system works better and is easier for the law to control

Again this was about safety, not if a cop is good or bad, like with all professions there are good ones and bad ones

 

Virginia: I was in a rental Chrysler Sebring somewhere around Norfolk and doing 75 in what I thought was a 55. Turns out it was 35 due to merging.
Quarter mile down, I get pulled over and I swear I thought the cop would drag me outta the car and put a gun to my head. He was beyond livid. "I'm sorry sir, I'm just visiting from California" Traffic court a month later, I plead and plead with the judge. Took pity on me and charged it as speeding, 75 in a 55. The cop was there, not being an *** btw. I broke the law but lucked out with the judge. ******bag driving should be punished, and I was wrong to engage in it!

Michigan: Pulled over twice for speeding, let go because of military ID. Had traffic collision, at fault. Not ticketed, again, because of military ID.

California: Mixed bag of stories. Ultimately speeding and racing, esp here in Southern Cal, should be punished. You get the occasional cop with a complex yelling at you, but IMO the cops are more than justified in cracking down on speeders.

 

All I'm saying is that cops aren't above the law. If an off-duty cop is doing 90 in a 55, then he should get a ticket just like any joe schmo would. And yes, I've been a beneficiary of professional courtesy once for not coming to a complete stop at a 4-way stop. I am not a cop but had a friend in my car who is. It does not make it right.

It probably isn't a stretch to come to the conclusion that everyone in this thread who is advocating/defending the issuance of speeding tickets (within a reasonable threshold of course) has some kind of law enforcement connection that provides immunity to getting tickets. Sort of like, I'm in "the club" and won't get a ticket, the hell with everyone else.

 

Wouldn’t it be nice to have a political canadate that wanted to actually do something worth a ****? Improving roads and highways would be so nice. Imagine how cool it would be to have an autobahn style interstate, and in the city alleviate traffic. I would vote for someone like that. By making the movement of goods and people more liquid it would help the economy and in the end probably even the environment because we wouldn’t be sitting in backups all day.

I find it shocking when I see people tailgating a few feet behind someone in a minivan that couldn’t stop for probably 100 feet or more, and that only if the driver was actually paying attention, not on the cell, while eating, smacking their kids around. Which is more dangerous, speeding in a 911 on a sunny day in low traffic, or the scenario last described? The purpose behind giving a ticket is safety, most times because like others have said there are a lot of people on the roads, most are not that bright it seems. I have never scene or heard of someone getting ticket for following too close unless an accident has already occurred. How come they can’t put two and two together and figure out if they ticked that person beforehand they might have actually done some good and prevented an accident. I remember seeing a show on the history channel about the Autobahn, they sent up not a speeding trap, but a following too close trap. I don’t know about you guys but when I go down the road I see a lot more following distance and lack of attention caused accidents then those related to speeding. They even put up a big *** sign that says if you get in a fender bender take your car to the shoulder. The fact that it happens so often is one thing, but the fact that people don’t know to get out of traffic and just sit there messing up the entire road absolutely astonishes me.
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Tickets started out as a good idea in theory, but now they are just a source of income. Why not just fix all the problems with our roads, and for that matter the people? If the huge number of commuters could get to Seattle in half the time think of how much more work they cold do and how many more tax dollars they would generate that could in turn fund more road improvements and help those stupid little towns that use tickets to generate income. This country is so behind and no one cares. People over in Europe work less and enjoy their much healthier lives. Our government needs to wake up and start assimilating success or else were gonna end up like the Romans. Sorry to get so fired up but things like this just don’t make sense to me, I thought about this thread all yesterday while working in my yard. I’m so tired of heard debates with the next leader of this country focused on the war on terror, Iraq, oil and global warming. Iraq and terrorists don’t make the commute suck ***, and because the commute is so bad we use up all of our resources and ruin the earth, just to **** off all the hippies. (smiley face with gun to head)

 

Wow, so much hostility here. This always seems the case when the topic of police come up, especially in an auto enthusiast forum. Suffice it to say that there are good and bad in any profession. Unfortunately, some police officers let the power go to their heads and give the profession as a whole a bad rep. Here in Ontario, there is a huge *perceived* problem with street racing as of late because of a few deaths. They've even gone as far as talk about crushing cars that seem to be "built for street racing"...ie. any modified car..."even if it has not been involved in a street race". This would obviously never fly, but they're saying that if they drive by your house and see you modified car, they can legally confiscate and crush it. The police are hassling modified cars here to no end. They will pull you over at will, ticket you for idiotic things, making you waste your time in court. These guys give cops a bad name. IMO, for every one of these guys, there are a handful of cool cops but nobody wants to talk about them. Let's give these guys a break.

 

WOW

 

Oh how cute... An internet tough guy steps up to the plate. Funny you should place such judgement on little ole me... Going on the fact that you are apparently judging my intelligence and level of education, you've used whatever limited judgement, reason and intellectual capacity that you have to completely miss your mark. Please enlighten me on what you've used to make your judgement.

Sorry cupcake, as far as internet tough guys go; or wanna be players, you don't even rate. And you're about as intellectually deep as a mud puddle, I don't care if you're carrying an ivy league degree.

Since we're on the topic, do please demonstrate your knowledge of me and my educational status... I'll wait. Although I highly doubt that you'll come up with what you're seeking. While you're at it, please logically and rationally tear apart my statement that made you need to up your medication. Go change your diaper and come back. I'm sure you'll come back with something better than a sad little personal attack. Which wasn't even really that good. I've had better insults from a two year old with a load of poo in her diapers.

Or put your big boy pants on and go back to playing with your lego's. This is a place for grown ups.

 

LOL! That was some funny ****! I can see why you're amused. I've read your other posts. You and that little mass fella aren't that bright! So I'm sure you're easily amused. I bet you get a kick out of a little hide the sausage and smell the finger. You and the genius that made the joke you're LOL'ing about may have been seperated at birth.


Look son... When perception meets reality outside of the world where you believe that you're a badass, you'll be in a world of hurt. You're own words show that you don't really know whats going on out there. You think that you do, but you've just one of those guys that's seen too many movies and honestly believes you'd fair well in the world where there are no Porsche's and cat backs. You might chip a nail, or get your Armani dirty.

Spare yourself the embarrassment of showing the people on this forum just how nieve you are.

 

I too have read this entire thread and fumed for days over whether or not I should reply. Regardless of how we feel about traffic officers or how they view car enthusiasts as a threat or not is not the core issue to this argument. Let me ask this: When have you or anyone you’ve ever known (general citizenry) ever voted specifically on a law regarding speeding limits or fines? If you take a neutral standpoint from the Police Officer’s point of view: they are just doing their job. If you take a neutral standpoint from a Car Enthusiast’s point of view: they are seeking a sense of freedom, relaxation, exhilaration, interest, pride & respect in man-made engineering & achievements, etc…
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The fact remains that many times throughout modern society it has been proposed in almost every democratic nation that good drivers, or drivers that have exceptional skills or possess racing licenses may be granted a “special license� in order to operate a motor vehicle on public roads above normal limitations within certain parameters. Anyone remember the now defunct “100mph license’? In all cases, these proposals have been shot down.

Look towards the “lawmakers� not the enforcers. And the enforcers should seek to understand the individual driving the car, their intentions, and the condition of their vehicle before making a judgment. Not an easy job understandably. Neither is it easy being an enthusiast hoping not to be picked off whilst being in sound mind and health with full understanding of one’s own skills and with a machine in excellent working order.


I now actively want someone on this board to shoot me down, flame me, prove me wrong…where’s Vicious? Love ya man! Tell me that Governments everywhere are seeking to help/alleviate/understand their citizens better when it comes to the automobile. They aren’t. 1 example: https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88590

All they understand is more rules, more laws, heavier fines, more cameras (hello to our </ST1friends in the UK – you’re on camera), and absolutely no consideration to better driver education.

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Sorry for the rant…

 

Well said Zeus. The other side of the discussion is driver training. Far too many people have too little control over their own vehicles. It is because of a lot of these people that we have so much death on the highways. Due to those deaths we have enforcement "issues" on the very same roads.

A guy may be a stellar driver, but he could cause an average or below average driver to get spooked and cause a tragic accident. Which brings down the harassment from law enforcement.

The argument that it is simply harassment is weak and far too simplistic. People don't want to take a look at a bigger part of the problem, and that is usually because the attention span or ability to reason of many is far too limited to actually affect some sort of change at the legislative level. Changing the laws is too "boring" and slow for most, but it is the way to get things done.

A slower, less skilled driver causes more mess on the highways than a skilled driver. But throw in the people that only "think" that they are skilled, in with the bad drivers; and you have a real mess.

I agree with you in changing the laws.

 

whatever you do...don't move to VA. this pisses me off....


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Effective July 1 for you Virginians, fines for many traffic violations will

increase from $750 - $3000. Called "civil fees," they are an effort to raise

money for roads without calling it a tax increase. For example, speeding 20mph

over, or over 80mph, will now cost you an additional $1050 in three annual

payments of $350, over and above the current fine and court costs.
Judges do

not have the discresion to waive or suspend the fees.



http://ourvalley.org/news.php?viewStory=831
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This lists all the fees:


http://wwwbobbattlelaw.com/library/Civil%20Remedial%20Bill%20hb_3202.pdf
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Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

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To get back to the original point, air patrol can't distinguish what type of car you're driving. Whether it's an expensive sports car or a beater, they can only radio down primarily on color.

Given your description of other traffic, it would have been interesting to actually try the case and hear what the airpatrol had to say in his descriptor for ground to pick you up?