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Originally Posted by Ritesh

Its for the local market.
BTW, regarding the ignorant "lack of quaility" comments - MB India won the Quality award for Best Mercedes Benz production plant outside Germany for 3 straight years.

Obviously there is a reason it's "Quality award for Best Mercedes Benz production plant OUTSIDE Germany". It's like saying - Tarbash's curry is the best OUTSIDE of india....doesn't say much, does it?

Now how the hell is that ignorant? If I was a betting man, I'm guessing you are a little biased, eh Ritesh?

BTW, Everyone's thinking it, but I'll say it... How the hell are the Indians going to build a Porsche when they can't even give &%$#^&* decent *&^%$# tech support? Just a thought.

PS. I have no affiliation with Tarbash or his amazing curry (amazing outside of India anyway).

 

The better question is why the hell did you buy a PC? And even with PCs, HP and Dell just don't cut it.

 

Hmm. Are the Caymans not built OUTSIDE Germany with great quality control???? Are Toyotas & Hondas not built OUTSIDE Japan by Americans with much better quality than GM or Ford?? Perhaps it has to do more with technology, process, culture and Kaizen.

As far as tech support, who the hell would be dumb enough to let them have our tech support jobs???? Oh wait, that would be US!! They are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

That was the last PC I bought... I'm now a happy mac owner :-)

Caymans not built in Germany? That explains it :-)

Toyotas and Hondas built outside of Japan are better than Fords and Chevys, true. However, the question should be: Are the Toyotas and Hondas built OUTSIDE of Japan built as well as those IN Japan?

 

Hey! I resemble that remark!! I had a Cayman.

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Good point. I would say in the case of Toyota, pretty damn close. (I work for Toyota, so I may be biased ) Hondas suck of course.

 

My turn:

1. I believe I stated clearly that is was outside Germany. Here is a list of MB plants OUTSIDE Germany from wikipedia:

Besides its native Germany, Mercedes-Benz are also manufactured or assembled in:

• South Africa [1]
• Thailand [2]
• Malaysia [3]
• United States of America [4]
• Argentina [5] (Buses, Trucks and the van Sprinter. the first factory of Mercedes-Benz outside of Germany)
• Brazil [6]
• India [7]
• Nigeria [8]
• United Kingdom (The SLR supercar is built here at the McLaren Technology Centre in Woking).
• Egypt [9]
• Austria (G-Class) [10]
• China
• Turkey [11]
• South Korea (Mercedes-branded Musso and MB100 models manufactured by SsangYong Motor Company)

So obviously the plant in India was better in quality than the one in Alabama, South Africa and Austria.

2. The car is being built in INDIA for INDIANS and some for other S.E. Asian countries. I don't think you have to worry about it in Socal or Denver or Baghdad.

3. The plant hasn't been built yet so how can you or I comment about the quality of cars being built? We can't. So IMHO his comment is borderline smart a$$, borderline racist.

4. Your comment about me being biased is interesting. Obviously you know me since you can guess my ethnicity. So what - I am being objective. I was pointing out that his comment is ... well see #3. I could care less about the quality of cars in India B/C they are never going to be sold to me. I went to India over the summer. It is Hell on Earth. I never seen a place as bad as India. It is poorly planned, corrupt and a disaster waiting to happen. Anybody who *****es about life in USA/Canada or Europe needs to spend a week in India. You will stop complaining about your country. I was so glad to come back home to Texas.

Sorry to take it OT guys. I'm out.

Ritesh.

 

Indian people make great engineers, some of the best...if Porsche funds a quality facility and enforces their quality control, I don't really see a problem.

 

I was there for a few weeks for a wedding...needless to say I agree. I wouldnt go so far as to say hell on earth but it is a pretty ****ed up place. I travel a lot though so I tend to get used to wherever I am pretty quickly. Just focus on the good and dont worry about the bad.

 

Have you actually lived in India? Because if you have, you wouldn't say that. It's one of the most amazing places in the world to live. Yes, the poverty and corruption is much more widespread than here, but "Hell on Earth"? Good God.

I'm sorry, but I've lived in India, Canada and the US. And my favorite place so far has been India. And it's irrespective of my family's financial background (since I know this will be mentioned), because I spent most of my time in India working with underprivileged children (besides soccer and school).

All of this talk regarding the quality of engineering is moot since it's localized production anyways. None of you guys will get Made in India Porsche's.

 

ya "hell on earth" is pretty harsh. IMO the urban areas are the problem for me but get out into the countryside and coastal areas...simply stunning. i stayed at a private beach near goa for a few days, it was amazing

 

But that's not even it. Of course a private beach in Goa will be beautiful. But even the urban areas. I lived in Delhi. Sometimes, I will agree, it's extremely sad, especially in the winter when it gets cold. But ultimately, some of these people, especially the kids that I've worked with, are happier than most Americans I know. I think there's a real sense of beauty in that, not to sound flowery. It's just truly an amazing place to be.

 

i can see what you mean and i dont mean to come off as some privileged jack off. the only urban area that i visited was mumbai so my experience may be different from yours. i do agree that virtually everyone i met over there (including family members) were happy and pretty care free. it was a really nice to see people appreciate the cards they were dealt.

to be honest, my problems were with the lack of cleanliness. it was a bit of a shock to see people defecate on the side of the road! after awhile you get used to it though and its really not that big a deal. my trip there really made me appreciate all the privileges i enjoy over here, but thats not to say i wouldnt go back.

one thing, you cant rely on anybody to be punctual about anything! i am very punctual so i found myself doing a lot of waiting. its really similar to the way things are done in spain. everytime i had an appointment i took "the economist" with me

 

=1-well spoken brother!

 

Nah, I don't think you're coming off as a priviliged jack off, but rather that, like you said, your experience is different than mine. I've been to almost everywhere in India, from Kerala to Goa to Delhi to Bangalore to small villages in Madras, to everywhere in between (and lived in Delhi for two years). My experience is that yes, you'll probably never get rid of the cleanliness issue; yes, you'll probably never get rid of the corruption; yes, you'll probably never get used to the heat. BUT, what overshadows all of that is that it is, hands down, the most chill place to be, or at least the most chill place out of all the places I've lived. And maybe because I'm Indian, and that attributed to me enjoying it that much more, but I loved the atmosphere and the people. (Granted, the road situation is frickin brutal!)

 

haha, im indian too so i definitely felt comfortable there. you're right about the chill atmosphere. its like the whole country smokes meeting so many cool people really made my trip that much more fun. time is money over here but over there everyone is willing to stop and chat about whatever. its a really friendly and inviting atmosphere. traffic is outta control though! everytime we got in a car we had a "gulp" moment, but the drivers there are pretty damn adept to the situation! the heat is nothing man! spend some time in dubai, you will see what real heat is like haha