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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 10:47 PM
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So, I'll ask this question. I love the way the PSE sounds, but it's not loud enough. I would like something in between the PSE and muffler bypass pipes, any suggestions? I also want to avoid any drone, idiot lights, and fittment issues. Performance gain and sound is what I'm looking for! I used borla mufflers on both my E46 M3's and loved them. I wanted to go with them again, but there is alot to chose from and all have there own distinct sound. I plan on spending about $4500 in exhaust, and ? for an intake. So what do you think will suit me the best?
Getting the sport cats made a BIGGER difference in sound than the headers or exhaust. I added these components at different times so I have a good idea about their relative impact. Getting headers with sport cats along with the PSE will definitely be louder than the PSE by itself. Might be what you are looking for..
 
Old Oct 19, 2007 | 01:55 AM
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Getting the sport cats made a BIGGER difference in sound than the headers or exhaust. I added these components at different times so I have a good idea about their relative impact. Getting headers with sport cats along with the PSE will definitely be louder than the PSE by itself. Might be what you are looking for..
I got PSE and X51 too. The sound is really nice but I want something little bit louder. My question is which is louder (PSE + headers + cats) or muffler pypass pipes ?
 
Old Oct 19, 2007 | 03:38 AM
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I guess it depends on the software and the dealer. My dealer encourages software upgrades, such as Revo and claims there is no warranty issue. I suppose there's a big difference between a minor value swap via an ECU flash and removing an ECU and soldering things to it, or physically changing it.
That is a good point, what dealer do you use?
 
Old Oct 19, 2007 | 05:28 AM
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I agree. Brandywine Porsche does GIAC. I think they would have a hard time rejecting a claim and blaming the chip when they put it on in the first place. I don't know if any local dealers do revo. Brandywine isn't too far from you NYKID.
 
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Originally Posted by cayenne_ksa
I got PSE and X51 too. The sound is really nice but I want something little bit louder. My question is which is louder (PSE + headers + cats) or muffler pypass pipes ?
By pass pipes are very loud.
 
Old Oct 22, 2007 | 09:11 AM
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Thanks for the responses! This is not a budget build up, but there is couple hundred dollars difference between the X-51 headers, and the others. I dont believe in throwing money away, but spending it wisely. Thats why I asked about the evo and suncoats headers. There do look extremely similar, but which is better quality? Right now I have the muffler bypass pipes from fabspeed. At $300 I figured it was worth the try. I personally think it sounds amazing and so do my buddies, but the interior noise is alittle excessive. So thats why I'm looking into headers, cats, and mufflers. I want to do this once and be happy with my choices and not want to change out parts because I don't like the sound. Did it with my E46 M3, paid $1k for mufflers and the next week spent another $1k to replace the ones I just installed.

So, I'll ask this question. I love the way the PSE sounds, but it's not loud enough. I would like something in between the PSE and muffler bypass pipes, any suggestions? I also want to avoid any drone, idiot lights, and fittment issues. Performance gain and sound is what I'm looking for! I used borla mufflers on both my E46 M3's and loved them. I wanted to go with them again, but there is alot to chose from and all have there own distinct sound. I plan on spending about $4500 in exhaust, and ? for an intake. So what do you think will suit me the best?
I am very happy with my x51 headers, AWE cats, and AWE mufflers. I did try the ebay headers prior to the x51. The ebay headers are topnotch in terms of build quality and have a nicer sound than the x51. However, there was a slight fitment issue with them. They caused the AWE cat and muffler on the one side to not align perfectly. So because of that I went with x51. I hardly doubt there is much of any power difference between the two headers. As for the sound, I think my car sounds fabulous as do some of the other local P-car owners that have heard my car. It is mean sounding when you step on it and only slightly louder than stock when cruising. I too had an e46 M3 before with supersprint midpipes and SS lightweight race muffler. The M3 was def quite a bit louder, but after a while I just thought to myself that it was too loud...always loud basically. I can tell you this much: the drone in the M3 is annoying. I recently sat in my friend's e46 M3 with the borla midpipes and the RE muffler and found the drone to be annoying as well. I am very happy that my AWE setup has no drone. It is great sounding and I highly recommend it...
 
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Thanks for the reply M32911s, This is the set up that I was leaning towards, but considering AWE's headers aswell.
 
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Thanks for the reply M32911s, This is the set up that I was leaning towards, but considering AWE's headers aswell.
yw, hope you found it helpful.
 
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I just saw a neighbors awe set up. It looked top notch and sounded mean. Def louder than mine.
 
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Originally Posted by NYKID
I'm looking into purchasing headers and an intake. Which headers would be best (fittment, quality of product, etc.), X-51, suncoast, or the evo headers. As far as the intake goes, does anyone have experience with the evo? Also, I was concerned with the airfilter, when I had my E46 M3, Some members on the forum had problems with the pre-oiled filter. The oil built up on the Mass Air Flow sensor and caused failure of the sensor. Thanks for any info provided.
Unless something changed, Evo headers are Suncoast headers. The last info I had was that Suncoast was making them for Evo.

Anyway, the Suncoast headers are very good. The fit and build quality are excellent. It does change the pitch of the exhaust quite a bit (much higher), but it still sounds good.

Regardless, butt dynos mean nothing Here's my car. Stock cats, stock plenum, CG mufflers, and the SC. Before and after. Same day, same dyno. The runs were done within about two hours of each other with only about 2 miles of drive distance between the install shop and the dyno shop. Yes, I know, my car has a SC. However, I've seen the exact same results on NA cars with this product. Suncoast predicted these gains to a tee based on their previous testing. I didn't end up with any "bonus" hp because of the forced induction, even though I had hoped I would. Plain and simple, it works. With regards to the power loss on the bottom, that is the nature of exhaust tuning. Give some to get some. They all do it. You can't have it both ways.

For those that are spending significant amounts of money on these very expensive mods, you really should be getting your cars dyno'd to make sure you're getting everything you're paying for. Trust no one

 
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Boosted and NA engines respond differently with the above modes. BTW DOG, when are you going to eliminate the resonance valve on your car? It is not needed.
 

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Boosted and NA engines respond differently with the above modes. BTW DOG, when are you going to eliminate the resonance valve on your car? It is not needed.
In theory they should anyway. The NA dyno runs I saw for the suncoast headers had the same gains as what we achieved with my car, albeit with lower overall numbers.

I don't even know what a resonance valve is. Can you explain? No one has brought that up before.
 
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Dog, what gains did you see on a N/A 997 with the Suncoast headers?
 


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