A more acute throttle response gives more control at ones feet . Ok so Ron says press the accelerator another mm . If that works for him great . Each person selects what he feels improves his driving .

I'm not criticizing the absence of a sport chrono BUT I am requesting its presence if given the CHOICE . That is my opinion and what was asked in the original post.

 

A car with sport chrono doesn't accelerate any faster, stop any quicker, or turn any tighter. Those would be the measures most people would use to judge a "performance edge." A slightly altered amount of pedal travel doesn't allow the driver to do anything more (or less) with the car. You can prefer the more aggressive throttle mapping but I think it's inaccurate to call that difference a performance edge.

If anything, it gives you less control because there's less range for small throttle inputs.

 

I'm not sure what you mean here. I've seen cars with black instruments that have a black SC gauge face too.

 

I never said it did . I feel the "edge" comes from a comfort level of control one has on his car and a more accute throttle does that for me .

I even feel that simple things like the Techart steering wheel and aluminum shifter provide a hands on component to driving . A steering wheel doesn;t "accelerate faster, stop quicker, or turn tighter " than a skinny multi function wheel --but it does place my hands on a very important aspect of driving performance . And I prefer the leather thicker sport wheel.

Each selects what he feels comfortable with.

You lack of choosing it (or his) does not tarnish my opinion of how well your car drives or how you feel in it . It does not matter to me either way .I would wish you well.

I choose to have it and if asked for the opinion or my reasons I state them .

 

Again, nobody has objected to you stating your opinion. You are, of course, free to prefer the sport chrono and I welcome your opinion in this thread.

All I have objected to is calling the sport chrono a performance improvement, or a "performance edge." It is not. This is a demonstrable fact. The sport chrono does not improve the performance of the automobile in any manner. While it's true that you didn't say that the sport chrono makes the car accelerate faster, would a reasonable reader of this thread to assume that that's what you meant by "performance edge?" I think so.

I think it's confusing to conflate ergonomics (as with a thicker steering wheel) and the car's performance.

There is clearly a lot of confusion among Porsche buyers about what the sport chrono does. Even in this thread posters have expressed confusion about the features it provides. I think, in light of this widespread confusion, it's valuable to not misrepresent the sport chrono and what it does, and to correct misstatements when they occur.

We routinely see people on this forum and others who are under the false impression that the sport mode makes the car faster, or makes the engine "more responsive", or otherwise positively improves the performance of the car. This is simply not the case. The sport mode merely reduces the effective range of the throttle pedal. This has two major effects: 1) it makes the car feel twitchier and more eager to accelerate 2) it reduces the driver's ability to make small adjustments to the throttle.

There's nothing wrong with preferring the sportier setting. I'd wager than 100% of people who don't have the button would never miss it (since the car isn't any faster and isn't any more responsive) and mainly your foot just gets accustomed to whichever setting you use the most.

To butcher your earlier analogy -- the SC is not like adding another plate to a wedding, it's like spending 1% more on the wedding to get smaller plates to make everyone believe that the portions are larger.

For the record, I have the sport chrono in my car. I would not buy it again.

 

I equate EVERY aspect of a car towards driving performance . Some things actually provide negative performance ( components which weigh more) but the trade off is comfort or convenience .

Perhaps we define "performance edge" differently where your definition hinges on material numbers and mine incorporates the things which lead me to attain better numbers speaking just for myself .

If I sit in the car , place my hands on a comfortable steering wheel and feel a more acute throttle response (sport chrono) -- I feel it's more confidence inspiring . I include driver perception as an intregal part of performance .

On a 100K car the sport chrono is 1/100 of the price . If you feel its worthless in every aspect that's up to you . I don't.

I have yet to read any post where someone has declared that sport chrono inhibits performance .

 

I double-checked and you are correct. My recollection was wrong. The Sport Chrono gauge color is matched for the standard silver color and for black.

It is, however, not color-matched for the other instrument dial color options (Red, Yellow, Sand Beige, Terracotta, etc..) That's what I was thinking of and thought that black was similarly affected. Thanks for the correction.

 

Surely there are some options which you don't feel impact driving performance. Delete Model Designation? Clothes Hook Backrest Leather?

OK. Here's your first, then. I find the sport throttle setting to be too twitchy when driving on the track. This can make it harder to maintain smooth throttle inputs when cornering, increasing the risk of undesired throttle lift oversteer or making it more challenging to smoothly roll on the throttle as I exit a corner. I much prefer to have more control over the throttle. I've seen others share similar observations online, so I'm not alone in that opinion.

 

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Here's your first, then. I find the sport throttle setting to be too twitchy when driving on the track. quote]

Ok = Driver perception does matter to you .
We simply differ . One man's trash is another mans treasure .

 

Do you need to spec the steering wheel stitch deviated as well?

 

Yes --there are several choices and when it came to this steering wheel Jason (Atomic80) provided great insight which helped me . He also displayed a great photo thread of the steering wheel . Post number 16 on page two really shows the effort and quality which goes into making the product. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...steering+wheel

He advised (on another thread) me as follows : I opted for all leather and decided not to go with carbon fiber .
"When you order your Techart type 1 steering wheel with leather/carbon fiber, you have to be SURE to tell them, no techart logo, oem color matched stitching (not matched to color of leather), carbon fiber clearcoat shiny smooth finish (as opposed to matte finish)."

 

The most complete info I've ever found on deviated stitching is a post over on rennteam. It's 14 posts down on this thread.

Additionally this thread is a great guide to the various cosmetic options with pictures.

 

Nugget --The steering wheel is Techart . Stitching would have to be specified to Techart dealership. It's not OEM .

The shiftters were also explained to me . Apparently Porsche makes a shifter which is painted to look aluminum and another which is real. Mine is real aluminum . The carbon fiber shifter is also flimsy in that it has painted aluminum .

These types of little details are discussed at length in the Turbo forum as many have spec'd out the car to the most precise detail .

Thus far I have only done the steering wheel and the shifter. Next will ne the "Turbo" inscribed lid and leather console (replaces the plastic) .

BTW if I ordered the car from scratch I may have opted for carbon fiber but at this point I did not want to remove the PCM to install CF opening up potential re assembly rattles .

Look at this (IMO) absolutely beautiful interior on post number 4 ... next time ...
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ight=turbo+cab

 

I understand that your steering wheel is Techart but I thought we were talking about Duane's car. In either case the notes on stitching are useful for more than just the wheel.

 

There is great value in seeing the options you think you want firsthand to the extent possible. All the simulations on the web or pictures do not fully capture real life. I'd look for something you could see in person, to the extent possible, before pulling the trigger. Having said that, your choices will make yours a unique car. Good luck!