2012 federal black box law
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2012 federal black box law
It looks like Porsche will be looking at our driving habits or will they?
See the article at: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...809189970/1065
See the article at: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...809189970/1065
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Great..... just another anti-privacy thing we need. 
The only way I can see it helping is for an accident.
The only way I can see it helping is for an accident.
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Many of us see it as a slippery slope.
At first the information would be used by the manufacturer to monitor the vehicles usage. Then they could start using the information to deny warranty claims. Insurance companies and government agencies could use the information in an accident investigation. What would stop law enforcement from having black box check points (much like DUI check points) and issue a ticket (much like red light camera tickets) to the registered owner or download information during a traffic stop to be use in court against the driver?
My OnStar equipped Sierra Denali pick-up truck automatically sends a report every month recording things like tire pressures, mileage, percent left in oil life etc. It also sends a report (and location) every time I activate the ABS or traction control. The technology is already there to have pertinent information (like speed and the location) automatically sent to whoever requests it and that someone could be government, all in the name of public safety and for the children of course. So when you get the urge to open it up a little on a deserted county road big brother could be watching!
You many not care about giving up personal freedoms all in the name of security but some of us do. I don’t like it.
At first the information would be used by the manufacturer to monitor the vehicles usage. Then they could start using the information to deny warranty claims. Insurance companies and government agencies could use the information in an accident investigation. What would stop law enforcement from having black box check points (much like DUI check points) and issue a ticket (much like red light camera tickets) to the registered owner or download information during a traffic stop to be use in court against the driver?
My OnStar equipped Sierra Denali pick-up truck automatically sends a report every month recording things like tire pressures, mileage, percent left in oil life etc. It also sends a report (and location) every time I activate the ABS or traction control. The technology is already there to have pertinent information (like speed and the location) automatically sent to whoever requests it and that someone could be government, all in the name of public safety and for the children of course. So when you get the urge to open it up a little on a deserted county road big brother could be watching!
You many not care about giving up personal freedoms all in the name of security but some of us do. I don’t like it.
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Where did Ron Paul go!!!!!!!!
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Many of us see it as a slippery slope.
At first the information would be used by the manufacturer to monitor the vehicles usage. Then they could start using the information to deny warranty claims. Insurance companies and government agencies could use the information in an accident investigation. What would stop law enforcement from having black box check points (much like DUI check points) and issue a ticket (much like red light camera tickets) to the registered owner or download information during a traffic stop to be use in court against the driver?
My OnStar equipped Sierra Denali pick-up truck automatically sends a report every month recording things like tire pressures, mileage, percent left in oil life etc. It also sends a report (and location) every time I activate the ABS or traction control. The technology is already there to have pertinent information (like speed and the location) automatically sent to whoever requests it and that someone could be government, all in the name of public safety and for the children of course. So when you get the urge to open it up a little on a deserted county road big brother could be watching!
You many not care about giving up personal freedoms all in the name of security but some of us do. I don’t like it.
At first the information would be used by the manufacturer to monitor the vehicles usage. Then they could start using the information to deny warranty claims. Insurance companies and government agencies could use the information in an accident investigation. What would stop law enforcement from having black box check points (much like DUI check points) and issue a ticket (much like red light camera tickets) to the registered owner or download information during a traffic stop to be use in court against the driver?
My OnStar equipped Sierra Denali pick-up truck automatically sends a report every month recording things like tire pressures, mileage, percent left in oil life etc. It also sends a report (and location) every time I activate the ABS or traction control. The technology is already there to have pertinent information (like speed and the location) automatically sent to whoever requests it and that someone could be government, all in the name of public safety and for the children of course. So when you get the urge to open it up a little on a deserted county road big brother could be watching!
You many not care about giving up personal freedoms all in the name of security but some of us do. I don’t like it.
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If its used in accident investigations, I'm all for that. The person who caused the accident should be the one who gets pinned with the accident, so if it clarifies what happened, then great. It would be very good to know if the brakes were depressed, the turn signals were on, and when.
However, one has to read out the thing... I don't see any current way of remotely reading out the data unless you have a cell phone device on in your car, like OnStar.
General roadblocks to read out data.. never going to happen. The current laws already prohibit that. Unreasonable search... ever heard of it? Police may stop every car to check license, registration, and look at the driver, but they are prohibited from entering the vehicle and certainly from plugging anything into your car.
I'm not giving up any privacy rights here. Yes, when I'm driving in my car, I have an expectation of privacy about what I do inside the car, but the car driving on a public road does not have any expectation of privacy. I do have an expectation of privacy in how I operate the car. If a maker puts in systems to monitor and report on that usage, I can know about it and choose not to purchase that makers car. If it comes to the point where location information is broadcast or can be read out from the car without my explicit consent, I'll not buy the car. Simple. This is no where near there.
If you want to think doom and gloom then go ahead; I'm not gonna lose any sleep over this sort of stuff until it actually rises to a level that warrants my attention.
However, one has to read out the thing... I don't see any current way of remotely reading out the data unless you have a cell phone device on in your car, like OnStar.
General roadblocks to read out data.. never going to happen. The current laws already prohibit that. Unreasonable search... ever heard of it? Police may stop every car to check license, registration, and look at the driver, but they are prohibited from entering the vehicle and certainly from plugging anything into your car.
I'm not giving up any privacy rights here. Yes, when I'm driving in my car, I have an expectation of privacy about what I do inside the car, but the car driving on a public road does not have any expectation of privacy. I do have an expectation of privacy in how I operate the car. If a maker puts in systems to monitor and report on that usage, I can know about it and choose not to purchase that makers car. If it comes to the point where location information is broadcast or can be read out from the car without my explicit consent, I'll not buy the car. Simple. This is no where near there.
If you want to think doom and gloom then go ahead; I'm not gonna lose any sleep over this sort of stuff until it actually rises to a level that warrants my attention.
