Poll: AWE, Tubi or Fabspeed? Listen then post your opinion!
#31
10-17-2008, 10:08 AM
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You know it's tough- they all sound good in ther own respective way. It really depends on what you want for daily use. to some, having a quiet Lexus-like interior sound level is more important. Others, just want their sports car to sound like a sports car and don't care about quiet interior sound.
Others fall somewhere in the middle- Sporty loud sound is ok, as long as making phone calls / listening to music is still acceptable.
I have tried all ends of the spectrum so far- Went with Agency Power at first, really nice mufflers, sound very good and priced right. But still too quiet for me.
I tried bypass pipes- Hell they sound awesome at WOT! But I think they sound like a broken truck muffler at idle / off idle. And I could not make any calls / seriously too loud in car for me. Also lost some TQ off the line. I did not dyno it but it was noticeable to me.
I came across the AH, end of story there. Car is faster, loud but not too loud to talk / tunes / calls.
This puts a grin on my face daily
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQWueROnQh8&fmt=18
I think some of the CG systems are pretty sick on the louder end, and look very well made.
The fabspeed mufflers I've heard sound good to me as well, very smooth, tuned and not overly loud, I'd say a bit louder than PSE. Quality looks excellent.
The AH's are the only ones I've personally found that consistently provided me a good performance gain, which is also important to me. Not saying other mufflers do not increase performance, I just usually don't see any data posted anywhere.
The best thing to do, if possible, is to get a ride in different member's pcars with the various exhausts installed and see which one lights your fire.
Others fall somewhere in the middle- Sporty loud sound is ok, as long as making phone calls / listening to music is still acceptable.
I have tried all ends of the spectrum so far- Went with Agency Power at first, really nice mufflers, sound very good and priced right. But still too quiet for me.
I tried bypass pipes- Hell they sound awesome at WOT! But I think they sound like a broken truck muffler at idle / off idle. And I could not make any calls / seriously too loud in car for me. Also lost some TQ off the line. I did not dyno it but it was noticeable to me.
I came across the AH, end of story there. Car is faster, loud but not too loud to talk / tunes / calls.
This puts a grin on my face daily
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQWueROnQh8&fmt=18 I think some of the CG systems are pretty sick on the louder end, and look very well made.
The fabspeed mufflers I've heard sound good to me as well, very smooth, tuned and not overly loud, I'd say a bit louder than PSE. Quality looks excellent.
The AH's are the only ones I've personally found that consistently provided me a good performance gain, which is also important to me. Not saying other mufflers do not increase performance, I just usually don't see any data posted anywhere.
The best thing to do, if possible, is to get a ride in different member's pcars with the various exhausts installed and see which one lights your fire.
Last edited by p0rsch3; 10-17-2008 at 10:12 AM.
#33
10-17-2008, 08:57 PM
I had the Fabspeed mufflers on my 06 and 07 and absolutly LOVED them. Excellent build quality and overall sound inside and outside of the car. To me the Fabspeed mufflers really have that "cup car" wail sound at over 5000rpm....pure sweetness.
A few guys have AWE and Tubi in our P-Car club and at track events and the AWE has more of a puffy airy sound and not all that loud. The Tubi sounds good but to me at idle Tubi sound very much like stock plus they are $1400 more than the Fabspeed.
Keep in mind with these youtube video is that the quality of the camera mic and the compression and limited bandwidth on youtube greatly affect the sound you are hearing. Also you do not know if some of these car have stock Cats or 200 cell Cats and the Cats will greatly effect the sound.
A few guys have AWE and Tubi in our P-Car club and at track events and the AWE has more of a puffy airy sound and not all that loud. The Tubi sounds good but to me at idle Tubi sound very much like stock plus they are $1400 more than the Fabspeed.
Keep in mind with these youtube video is that the quality of the camera mic and the compression and limited bandwidth on youtube greatly affect the sound you are hearing. Also you do not know if some of these car have stock Cats or 200 cell Cats and the Cats will greatly effect the sound.
#36
10-18-2008, 10:33 PM
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Rep Power: 106 There's also the 'what do I get for the money...?' argument.
I've had Tubis on my car. They are one of the best sounding exhausts you can buy for a 997S. Period. But.... absolutely no noticeable additional power whatsoever. Tubi don't do cat sections for the 997S (free-flow cats give the meaningful power gains on these engines) and their mufflers are designed to sound terrific with the additional silencing offered by the standard Porsche cats. Added to the AWE headers and free-flow cats, they sound dreadful.
In the quest for more performance, I now have the full compliment of AWE product (Mufflers, cats, headers) and the car is significantly quicker through the top half of the rpm band in a way it never was with the Tubis. Unfortunately I have to say to Todd, Mike and everyone at AWE that the sound of your system isn't in the same league as the Tubis (or Cargraphic or TechArt)! Guys, it's far too low-pitched for a Porsche - you need a really fundamental rethink of your muffler design. Take out some of the rumble (these cars aren't yankee V8s) and let some of that authentic Porsche snarl come through - then your product would be near perfect. You've managed it so well with your GT3 system......!
Unfortunately I haven't used Fabspeed on my 997S but their mufflers sounded really good on my previous car, a 996
I've had Tubis on my car. They are one of the best sounding exhausts you can buy for a 997S. Period. But.... absolutely no noticeable additional power whatsoever. Tubi don't do cat sections for the 997S (free-flow cats give the meaningful power gains on these engines) and their mufflers are designed to sound terrific with the additional silencing offered by the standard Porsche cats. Added to the AWE headers and free-flow cats, they sound dreadful.
In the quest for more performance, I now have the full compliment of AWE product (Mufflers, cats, headers) and the car is significantly quicker through the top half of the rpm band in a way it never was with the Tubis. Unfortunately I have to say to Todd, Mike and everyone at AWE that the sound of your system isn't in the same league as the Tubis (or Cargraphic or TechArt)! Guys, it's far too low-pitched for a Porsche - you need a really fundamental rethink of your muffler design. Take out some of the rumble (these cars aren't yankee V8s) and let some of that authentic Porsche snarl come through - then your product would be near perfect. You've managed it so well with your GT3 system......!
Unfortunately I haven't used Fabspeed on my 997S but their mufflers sounded really good on my previous car, a 996
#43
10-21-2008, 12:05 PM
Fun to hear! Just for my info, looking at the titles and the photos, it seems that the AWE was a full system, Tubi was muffler only, and Fabspeed was bypass. Did I interpret correctly?
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