Tech Qs and Mod availability for 2009 C2S?
Tech Qs and Mod availability for 2009 C2S?
Order goes in tomorrow, so I want to start a thread outlining the typical "DE oriented" specifications / updates.
I understand the springs are shorter and stiffer, which is a good thing. Also that the valving / software is updated based on what Porsche learned from PASM 1, the GT3, and the latest GT2 suspensions. That's also good thing.
The sways are thicker, but does anyone have any specification on them and is it possible the fronts are adjustable? I'm guessing not. Any idea if GT3 sways are a direct fit (they weren't in the 2007 as new drop links were needed). I'm going to stick with stock for a while, but this thread may be a good place to collect this information for everyone.
Here are some updates / mods:
1. Software. Doesn't look like anyone lists software yet for the 2009 DFI engines. Any information on possible gains, product development timelines, etc.?
2. Exhaust. I saw the posts and it looks like many more options than ever before in a 997 - almost like my 964 was. Primary or secondary bypass. In my 2007 C2S, the best-for-me combination was X51 headers, 200 cell, and stock mufflers along with Softronic. Sounded great, gave a little more performance. I'm guessing sound levels of the secondary bypass is going to be high. I once had a full aftermarket header / cat / muffler system, but removed it as it was just too loud for around town. Thoughts / observations from those that have seen / heard the various options?
3. Intake. I tried an alternative intake on my 2007 and sent it back. Was not happy with it and remain concerned about oiled filters (had a fouled MAF in the past on a pre-oiled filter). The dyno charts are promising - anyone have data on a combination of intake and exhaust? Right now I'm leaning toward a primary bypass and intake and would be interested to know what that combination produces for gains.
4. Brake pads - I used to run Yellow 29s up front and Black 14s at the back due to the brake bias. Anyone know how the 2009 with Sport PASM suspension / LSD and PSM's Brake assist and brake system pre-filling. Wondering if the bias is more neutral where you'd get Yellows all around or stick with the Yellow / Black combination?
Thanks!
I understand the springs are shorter and stiffer, which is a good thing. Also that the valving / software is updated based on what Porsche learned from PASM 1, the GT3, and the latest GT2 suspensions. That's also good thing.
The sways are thicker, but does anyone have any specification on them and is it possible the fronts are adjustable? I'm guessing not. Any idea if GT3 sways are a direct fit (they weren't in the 2007 as new drop links were needed). I'm going to stick with stock for a while, but this thread may be a good place to collect this information for everyone.
Here are some updates / mods:
1. Software. Doesn't look like anyone lists software yet for the 2009 DFI engines. Any information on possible gains, product development timelines, etc.?
2. Exhaust. I saw the posts and it looks like many more options than ever before in a 997 - almost like my 964 was. Primary or secondary bypass. In my 2007 C2S, the best-for-me combination was X51 headers, 200 cell, and stock mufflers along with Softronic. Sounded great, gave a little more performance. I'm guessing sound levels of the secondary bypass is going to be high. I once had a full aftermarket header / cat / muffler system, but removed it as it was just too loud for around town. Thoughts / observations from those that have seen / heard the various options?
3. Intake. I tried an alternative intake on my 2007 and sent it back. Was not happy with it and remain concerned about oiled filters (had a fouled MAF in the past on a pre-oiled filter). The dyno charts are promising - anyone have data on a combination of intake and exhaust? Right now I'm leaning toward a primary bypass and intake and would be interested to know what that combination produces for gains.
4. Brake pads - I used to run Yellow 29s up front and Black 14s at the back due to the brake bias. Anyone know how the 2009 with Sport PASM suspension / LSD and PSM's Brake assist and brake system pre-filling. Wondering if the bias is more neutral where you'd get Yellows all around or stick with the Yellow / Black combination?
Thanks!
Ron, I think it is just you and me into useing the car for DE's! ha ha...so far Fabspeed is the only company to come out with a intake for the new 09 Carrera S. Fabspeed bought and took delivery of their car back in early September and uses it to develop intake and exhaust mods for the new 09 Carrera. Also the Koni Series cars will be using this intake along with the X pipe and by pass pipes. I also got word about the Fabspeed headers with F1 stle merge collectors. they have ben testing header tube size and runner length. Fabspeed has been emailing me updates about all this so that is how I know. I have not heard anything to market yet from any other tuners yet.
I have an email into Scott at Softronic to see if and when he will have anything for the ECU on the new 09 Carrera S and what mods he will be working with on the ECU re-flash.
Remember that the Sport PASM has the shorter springs and bigger sways and re-valved shocks. The regular stock PASM has the high ride height and softer longer springs, shocks and smaller sways.
I have not gotten the car to the track enough to wear out the pads yet to see how they are wearing and compare the brake bias. I can tell you my car does not dive as much under threshold braking like my 06 and 07 did. I am not sure if it is the stiffer suspension or more rear brake bias.
I would love to have a talk with the engineers of the new 09 Carrera cars to pick there brain and get some insider tips.
I have an email into Scott at Softronic to see if and when he will have anything for the ECU on the new 09 Carrera S and what mods he will be working with on the ECU re-flash.
Remember that the Sport PASM has the shorter springs and bigger sways and re-valved shocks. The regular stock PASM has the high ride height and softer longer springs, shocks and smaller sways.
I have not gotten the car to the track enough to wear out the pads yet to see how they are wearing and compare the brake bias. I can tell you my car does not dive as much under threshold braking like my 06 and 07 did. I am not sure if it is the stiffer suspension or more rear brake bias.
I would love to have a talk with the engineers of the new 09 Carrera cars to pick there brain and get some insider tips.
5. Alignment. I understand from Mike here that with the new lower suspension we can get upwards of -1.4 degrees of camber. Not enough for track, but much better than the old suspension that maxed out at about -0.8 degrees. Will have to add GT3 control arms to get to -2.5 or so.
6. The new wheels look great and I'm guessing they are pretty light. Still have my 19x8.5 / 19x11 Volks with Cups and 18x9 / 18x12 Fikses with Hoosiers as my wheel / tire choices. Will have to see if the new stiffer and lower suspension likes 18s or 19s better.
6. The new wheels look great and I'm guessing they are pretty light. Still have my 19x8.5 / 19x11 Volks with Cups and 18x9 / 18x12 Fikses with Hoosiers as my wheel / tire choices. Will have to see if the new stiffer and lower suspension likes 18s or 19s better.
Ron, I too wonder about the 18 or 19" tire deal too. I hear from people in the know with Porsche that the car is set up and tested with 19's. I always thought that the car seemed to flex/move around and not feel as sharp on my 18's with RA1's. The R888's were a little better as they seemed to have a stiffer side wall. I have a few guys that track with 19" R888's and love them.
All very confusing and I'd love to hear what Porsche's 997S engineers would have to say about this, if they could leave the lawyer speak out of it and just be down to earth in a private conversation.
All very confusing and I'd love to hear what Porsche's 997S engineers would have to say about this, if they could leave the lawyer speak out of it and just be down to earth in a private conversation.
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