997S vs E92 M3...Thoughts/Opinions
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LOL! Well the Prius is like a Casio watch. The Porsche is more like a Brietling, IWC or some other watch with character..
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I have tracked my car, 18 times in the last 12 months, I have 26,000 Km (16,000 miles) and I have yet to make a warranty claim. I only burn a little oil when I am on the track, otherwise it is none. I visited the Porsche factory last spring and learned that Porsche doesn't make cars, they assemble them. Almost every component is outsourced and if the suppliers don't measure up to the quality standards that Porsche requires, they find a new supplier. I think that the big three could learn something from there method of production.
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I don't give much a ratsass about mileage either, but when people talk about it on a performance board, then you will see an impact on resale. My E46 barely gets 18 mpg with some freeway commuting. When i was using it on the weekends I would get 13. If gas goes to $5 a gallon, those E9X M3's are going to drop big time in value.
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Dude, you are still at your old tricks. Here, let me help refocus you 
You read somewhere in wikipedia that the m3 won some race and Porsche cried. No records show this and I have no info on it. Despite this rant of yours, I'll bite and say "ok". So let's fast forward to today and to the main point: In a race where both Porsche and BMW got a chance to enter their cars recently, who won and who lost:
-ALMS: Porsche spanked BMW in the GT2 class
-24 hours Nurburgring: Porsche spanked BMW
I was at the LBGP and was impressed by the BMW M3; the widebody on the car looks awesome. The fact is, it still lost to Porsche, but it did come 4th (which I think is great for a sedan).
And whether MY own car is related to a GT1 block, yes it is. I own a turbo. There are many of us here on the 997 forum that love the 997 in all its forms (e.g. I won't cry if someone has a faster 335 than my M3).
Lastly, we are all entitled to our opinions. At times you do make sense and but at other times its clear that you're trolling. I am happy that you still love your 3 series and prefer them over Porsche 911's. I'm going to be like you and where a Michael Vick jersey to an SPCA/PETA fundraiser.
I guess you figured we needed some excitement, so you put on your jester hat. We all need to do that at times.
Thanks for the laughs!
You read somewhere in wikipedia that the m3 won some race and Porsche cried. No records show this and I have no info on it. Despite this rant of yours, I'll bite and say "ok". So let's fast forward to today and to the main point: In a race where both Porsche and BMW got a chance to enter their cars recently, who won and who lost:
-ALMS: Porsche spanked BMW in the GT2 class
-24 hours Nurburgring: Porsche spanked BMW
I was at the LBGP and was impressed by the BMW M3; the widebody on the car looks awesome. The fact is, it still lost to Porsche, but it did come 4th (which I think is great for a sedan).
And whether MY own car is related to a GT1 block, yes it is. I own a turbo. There are many of us here on the 997 forum that love the 997 in all its forms (e.g. I won't cry if someone has a faster 335 than my M3).
Lastly, we are all entitled to our opinions. At times you do make sense and but at other times its clear that you're trolling. I am happy that you still love your 3 series and prefer them over Porsche 911's. I'm going to be like you and where a Michael Vick jersey to an SPCA/PETA fundraiser.
I guess you figured we needed some excitement, so you put on your jester hat. We all need to do that at times.
Thanks for the laughs!
You apparently are missing out on the entire ALMS season where BMW dominated until Porsche cried and whined for a rule change. The 911 program has been going since then, BMW just got back.
If you think the car is going to get slower you are mistaken. Plus, they have been finishing second, pretty good out of the gate.
Regardless, we are talking about STREET CARS that DO NOT HAVE the GT1 block. Understand?
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Just had to dive into this thread and join this board. (May need to change my sig soon). I have an E46 M3 and have been looking at both the E92M3 and '06C2S's. I had an E36 M3 as well. I have an SMG car and am dieing to get back to a 6 spd. I've driven a C2 and a C2S. I think the S will keep me from the mod bug for a while since it has lower ride height, 19's, better brakes and better throttle response (lighter flywheel? - or is it just the motor?).
Thing about the M3 is the versatility. I like throwing my bike in the trunk with the fold down seats. And I have 9 and 6 year olds. Finally the M3 exhaust note is decent with the V8 vs. the POS sound of my car (even with rear resonator and SS exhaust). I've basically convinced myself that if I want to stuff my kids in a 911, I'd better get one soon! Hopefully the little locates on the roof will work well for a bike rack.
The cars are comparable in price, but little else. Come on, the M3 is a highly modded 3 series. The 911 is ground up sports car. Granted, I love the M3 versatility, but the 911 is a sports car, not a GT. Much less space, much lower to the ground, much lighter. BMW makes great coupes out of the 3's.
Sounds like CURIO is trying to justify buying a DCT. I've been trying to justify buying my SMG for the past 4 years. After actually driving a couple of 911's, I'm ready to move on. 6spd in either car.
I needed to test the C2 and the C2S. Now I also need to check out a C4 to see if the heavier car is any better.
Funniest thing is that I find people checking the mileage on the M3 even on the M3 forums. 'Caus the damn thing only gets 13 MPG. Maybe fine now, but in three years values could really get killed. Heck the damn 911 will get 20 MPG. I think few of us are really concerned about mileage, but even the NY Times was writing about the last of the gas sucking 500hp cars (C63 included).
Biggest diff in driving the M3 vs. 911 is the torque. Even if they the same 0-60 or track times, the torque of the 911 vs. the weight makes it much more responsive. Just feels more fun. My E46 will hang with a 996, but I thought my E36 even had more torque at lower RPMs.
Now if only my girls will want to jump in the back "seats"...
Thing about the M3 is the versatility. I like throwing my bike in the trunk with the fold down seats. And I have 9 and 6 year olds. Finally the M3 exhaust note is decent with the V8 vs. the POS sound of my car (even with rear resonator and SS exhaust). I've basically convinced myself that if I want to stuff my kids in a 911, I'd better get one soon! Hopefully the little locates on the roof will work well for a bike rack.
The cars are comparable in price, but little else. Come on, the M3 is a highly modded 3 series. The 911 is ground up sports car. Granted, I love the M3 versatility, but the 911 is a sports car, not a GT. Much less space, much lower to the ground, much lighter. BMW makes great coupes out of the 3's.
Sounds like CURIO is trying to justify buying a DCT. I've been trying to justify buying my SMG for the past 4 years. After actually driving a couple of 911's, I'm ready to move on. 6spd in either car.
I needed to test the C2 and the C2S. Now I also need to check out a C4 to see if the heavier car is any better.
Funniest thing is that I find people checking the mileage on the M3 even on the M3 forums. 'Caus the damn thing only gets 13 MPG. Maybe fine now, but in three years values could really get killed. Heck the damn 911 will get 20 MPG. I think few of us are really concerned about mileage, but even the NY Times was writing about the last of the gas sucking 500hp cars (C63 included).
Biggest diff in driving the M3 vs. 911 is the torque. Even if they the same 0-60 or track times, the torque of the 911 vs. the weight makes it much more responsive. Just feels more fun. My E46 will hang with a 996, but I thought my E36 even had more torque at lower RPMs.
Now if only my girls will want to jump in the back "seats"...
If I ended up in a 997 I would have chosen PDK.
I had an SMG E46 M3, you need to take DCT M3 for a drive, as it makes SMG looks like the jerky unrefined mess it is.
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Yeah right.-- Cutomers who do not give a "5" are immediately identified by BMWNA who turns right around and rats out any single customer who dings the dealer - which makes extorting those high scores all the easier for the dealer network.
That's not customer satisfaction. That's measuring how good various dealers are at getting customers to say "5" on fear of retaliation on their next visit.
That's not customer satisfaction. That's measuring how good various dealers are at getting customers to say "5" on fear of retaliation on their next visit.
Like I said, which you avoid, no brand is without horror stories. Porsche has their fair share in the reliability department. Do a search for cayenne cooling tubes some time.
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I'm sure the DCT is good for what it is, I have heard good things, and that it's a vast improvement over SMG, but for me, I just can't live without the clutch. I'm sure when it's closer to purchase time I will drive the DCT for comparison's sake, but any car I will get will be 6-spd, that's why the GTR is not even considered even though it is stupid fast out the box.
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I'm sure the DCT is good for what it is, I have heard good things, and that it's a vast improvement over SMG, but for me, I just can't live without the clutch. I'm sure when it's closer to purchase time I will drive the DCT for comparison's sake, but any car I will get will be 6-spd, that's why the GTR is not even considered even though it is stupid fast out the box.
I have a feeling that time is growing shorter though, so enjoy it for now.
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I make it to Vegas on one tank, so ~200ish miles is city driving.
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I thank you for the laughs.
You apparently are missing out on the entire ALMS season where BMW dominated until Porsche cried and whined for a rule change. The 911 program has been going since then, BMW just got back.
If you think the car is going to get slower you are mistaken. Plus, they have been finishing second, pretty good out of the gate.
Regardless, we are talking about STREET CARS that DO NOT HAVE the GT1 block. Understand?
You apparently are missing out on the entire ALMS season where BMW dominated until Porsche cried and whined for a rule change. The 911 program has been going since then, BMW just got back.
If you think the car is going to get slower you are mistaken. Plus, they have been finishing second, pretty good out of the gate.
Regardless, we are talking about STREET CARS that DO NOT HAVE the GT1 block. Understand?
As it has been said before, nobody really gives a $hit about your opinion. You are either too ignorant or too daft to see this, in fact I am sure that the longer you continue to troll the less etho's you will have (if there is any remaining). I think that the consensus is that we all respect what BMW has done with the M3, and most of us think that you are doing your best to win the job as the Official 6speedonline Jester...you have my vote!
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Rice Eater was talking about his Turbo which uses the GT1 block, as does the GT3, GT3RS, and GT2. The 997.1 C2/C4 and C2S/C4S use the the wet sump that you think has RMS issues with every block, when in fact is rarely ever discussed as a problem on this forum. If anyone here wanted an M3, we most certainly would have one, but most of us don't have one.
As it has been said before, nobody really gives a $hit about your opinion. You are either too ignorant or too daft to see this, in fact I am sure that the longer you continue to troll the less etho's you will have (if there is any remaining). I think that the consensus is that we all respect what BMW has done with the M3, and most of us think that you are doing your best to win the job as the Official 6speedonline Jester...you have my vote!
As it has been said before, nobody really gives a $hit about your opinion. You are either too ignorant or too daft to see this, in fact I am sure that the longer you continue to troll the less etho's you will have (if there is any remaining). I think that the consensus is that we all respect what BMW has done with the M3, and most of us think that you are doing your best to win the job as the Official 6speedonline Jester...you have my vote!
GT1 blocks have had RMS issues as well.
Nobody gives a **** about my opinion? I disagree considering the PM's I have been receiving, you just don't like what I am saying. I would say there is more ignorance coming from your side.
The only reason you consider my opinion trolling is because it goes against yours.
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Curio,
Let it go. Arguing for the sake of arguing is pointless.
I had the chance to go test drive an M3. I would have got a good deal on it (I have good terms with the BMW folks near where I live) but chose to get the non-S 997.
They are all great cars and they all have strengths and weaknesses.
I happen to really like my Carrera.
Let it go. Arguing for the sake of arguing is pointless.
I had the chance to go test drive an M3. I would have got a good deal on it (I have good terms with the BMW folks near where I live) but chose to get the non-S 997.
They are all great cars and they all have strengths and weaknesses.
I happen to really like my Carrera.
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you're right I had the E60 M5 for 2 yrs and still have the M6. 12mpg tops highway. 16 or 17g tank I believe so you can do the math there. And they both burned alot of oil always carried 2 qts in the trunk. But V10 power!
