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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
pretty much so...
the one and only alternative I see on market is this car.

http://burlington.porschedealer.com/...48490/info.php

i drove it and it is beautiful. but dealer does not want to reduce the price.
what would you assess it for? $50K? $48k?
Nice car, IMO even at $54 it is a good price, but my advice is to figure out what you can afford and offer it to them, the worse they can say is no.

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Originally Posted by JoeShark
"My" value on the car is $46k - $48k (and yes, I see that the car is a CPO vehicle).
So you think a 2006 S is worth in the upper $40k? From reading some of the other threads I thought a 2006 S would be pretty close to the asking price. Is there something about the car that you think lowers the price?
 
Old Jul 13, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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Boy, you really whittled down the list there

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Originally Posted by brendo

in my opinion, the S is the sweet spot for the carerra, quote]


I think the 997 model line has many sweet spots . In fact I think to experience it fully it really takes more than one Porsche 911 . I've tried to sort out the top 3 and then I find myself adding three more .

To have 1) all all mighty powerhouse , 2) the track star . 3) The power hit track star 4) The basic street , 5) a sunny delight . The snow sled -these are my picks --

1) 997 Turbo
2) Gt3
3) Gt2
4) 997S
5) 997S Cab
6) C4S

Imagine a garage filled with thse six cars . One for each 911 Porsche mood . I sometimes wonder how the guys in a dealership face driving all thse great cars and still call it "work".
 
Old Jul 13, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by NorthVan997C2S
Nice car, IMO even at $54 it is a good price, but my advice is to figure out what you can afford and offer it to them, the worse they can say is no.

good luck
the trick is - i cannot afford 54 + tax but i do not want to hear 'no'.

I wonder that they do not even want to negotiate after car was sitting on a lot for 8 weeks. It had $59K sticker then got down to current $54K. I offered $50K before and they rejected. I will offer $48K now just to see the reaction.

It is truly an interesting business model they got. I bet it will get sold eventually for same price I offered. But perhaps 2-3 months later.
 
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
pretty much so...
the one and only alternative I see on market is this car.

http://burlington.porschedealer.com/...48490/info.php

i drove it and it is beautiful. but dealer does not want to reduce the price.
what would you assess it for? $50K? $48k?
Seems like a fairly basic car - I wonder what it stickered for new?

KBB.com puts it at $49,575 suggested retail - so it seems like your offer of $50K is spot on as a fair offer - certainly not low ball. Maybe print out the KBB report and take it to them to support your offer.
 
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Originally Posted by stevepow
Seems like a fairly basic car - I wonder what it stickered for new?

KBB.com puts it at $49,575 suggested retail - so it seems like your offer of $50K is spot on as a fair offer - certainly not low ball. Maybe print out the KBB report and take it to them to support your offer.
I honestly do not think they do not know true KBB numbers. Dealers seem to ignore KBB whatsoever from what I saw so far. But it is not my problem, of course.
 
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Originally Posted by stevepow
Seems like a fairly basic car - I wonder what it stickered for new?

KBB.com puts it at $49,575 suggested retail - so it seems like your offer of $50K is spot on as a fair offer - certainly not low ball. Maybe print out the KBB report and take it to them to support your offer.
It also has a CPO, which costs the dealer about $2000.
 
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Originally Posted by NorthVan997C2S
It also has a CPO, which costs the dealer about $2000.
for me it is simply $12K over $40K I can pay for hopefully clean C2 with 42K miles.
not to mention dealers sell similar 2006 C2 cars with 36K miles for $49K.

I am not sure I see the point of doing that. Something below $10K in price diff may have some point but going way above that just for some sort of moral satisfaction to have an 'S' on car`s *** frankly seems like some major non-sense to me.
 
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
the trick is - i cannot afford 54 + tax but i do not want to hear 'no'.

I wonder that they do not even want to negotiate after car was sitting on a lot for 8 weeks. It had $59K sticker then got down to current $54K. I offered $50K before and they rejected. I will offer $48K now just to see the reaction.

It is truly an interesting business model they got. I bet it will get sold eventually for same price I offered. But perhaps 2-3 months later.
Try not to let the dealer know that it's slightly over your budget, that you really want it, but it would be a stretch. In a lot of dealers' experiences, the buyer stretches a bit if that's the case.

If they think you only want to buy it at that price because you're motivated by getting a good deal on it (not that it's your budget limit), then MAYBE they'll be more uncertain whether you'll close the deal in the end. But for this you approach you definitely need more time.

Good luck getting your 997!
 
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
for me it is simply $12K over $40K I can pay for hopefully clean C2 with 42K miles.
not to mention dealers sell similar 2006 C2 cars with 36K miles for $49K.

I am not sure I see the point of doing that. Something below $10K in price diff may have some point but going way above that just for some sort of moral satisfaction to have an 'S' on car`s *** frankly seems like some major non-sense to me.
You can buy the "S" sticker for $10, but as stated earlier it is more then the just the designation.

If $40K is all you can afford, then buy a C2 and you will love it.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthVan997C2S
Perhaps I am not yet in that phase of middle-age crisis to get arrest me red with half naked 20 year old blond next to me, plus I still have most of my hair intact.

All I want is just to get most bang per buck and preferably stay in somewhat reasonable budget. It does not mean I cannot 'afford' more. It means I do not want to spend more. On a toy.
 
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Originally Posted by Smaj
So you think a 2006 S is worth in the upper $40k? From reading some of the other threads I thought a 2006 S would be pretty close to the asking price. Is there something about the car that you think lowers the price?

No special magic formula for me. Based on all the research I did into buying my car as well as seeing what others were purchasing their cars for, this is how I came to my number.

When I was looking a few months ago (at most likely the market bottom), I bought my car and it looked like others were buying their cars for KBB price between wholesale and private party price (good condition). Now that the market seems to have firmed up, I'm pricing this car at between KBB private party and full retail plus $2,000 for the CPO. That's where I came up with my number. I may be off here but I'd rather tell someone a little low and they can negotiate up rather than give them a high number an watch them leave money on the table.
 
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
pretty much so...
the one and only alternative I see on market is this car.

http://burlington.porschedealer.com/...48490/info.php

i drove it and it is beautiful. but dealer does not want to reduce the price.
what would you assess it for? $50K? $48k?

A few other differences( besides the different engine , wheels etc. already mentioned )are that the S model also has PASM ...Porsche active sport suspension ( optional on the non S ) and a heavy duty, self adjusting clutch , not available on the non-S model .
 
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Originally Posted by JoeShark
No special magic formula for me. Based on all the research I did into buying my car as well as seeing what others were purchasing their cars for, this is how I came to my number.

When I was looking a few months ago (at most likely the market bottom), I bought my car and it looked like others were buying their cars for KBB price between wholesale and private party price (good condition). Now that the market seems to have firmed up, I'm pricing this car at between KBB private party and full retail plus $2,000 for the CPO. That's where I came up with my number. I may be off here but I'd rather tell someone a little low and they can negotiate up rather than give them a high number an watch them leave money on the table.
Thanks for the explanation.
 


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