Has anyone done a PCCB upgrade?
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Has anyone done a PCCB upgrade? (Suncoast kit)
Not looking for "Why's" or "Brembo upgrades are cheaper" type comments (please). I just need to know if anyone has done the conversion on a 997.2 S, and if the install was straight forward.
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I won't say "Brembos are cheaper" but I will say they are better and I have had cars with both . Installation is straight forward but will cost you more than double than a spec'd car .
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Nothing beats PCCBs! Ask the pro drivers (who coach on the side..they'll tell you!).
Check out the thread about the guy with the new GT3 and worn out steel rotors. It ain't the brakes it is the braker! (And they used to complain about PCCBs)
I wanted to put GT3 PCCBs on my 997 S but the dealer wouldn't do it (parts differences). However it is an easy swap from 997 (steel) to 997 (ceramic) per the Dealer.
Check out the thread about the guy with the new GT3 and worn out steel rotors. It ain't the brakes it is the braker! (And they used to complain about PCCBs)
I wanted to put GT3 PCCBs on my 997 S but the dealer wouldn't do it (parts differences). However it is an easy swap from 997 (steel) to 997 (ceramic) per the Dealer.
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[quote][Nothing beats PCCBs! Ask the pro drivers (who coach on the side..they'll tell you!)./QUOTE]
There are a few who post here and the opinion is mixed . Some love them but not all.
Pro , amateur, or just a dude with a car -opinion is simply that.
I happen to like the PCCB under thse two conditions :1) That they are already on the car which in itself is 8 grand or 2) That the car remains at stock or near stock Hp .
PCCB brakes were designed by Porsche for a stock 997 and when my 05 launch car had them I thought they were great . They are light , have no brake dust (yet still need to be cleaned) , and stop well in the rain .
On my 700 Hp Turbo I felt they would be unacceptable . The stock steel brakes worked great on stock Hp and even if the PCCB were better they were not designed to stop a 700 Hp car in thr manner that the BBK can do . With a car that can accelerate so fast it needs more than a stock designed brake to match its performance level and the PCCB were not the best choice . If they were --I would have only looked for a car with them on day one.
There are a few who post here and the opinion is mixed . Some love them but not all.
Pro , amateur, or just a dude with a car -opinion is simply that.
I happen to like the PCCB under thse two conditions :1) That they are already on the car which in itself is 8 grand or 2) That the car remains at stock or near stock Hp .
PCCB brakes were designed by Porsche for a stock 997 and when my 05 launch car had them I thought they were great . They are light , have no brake dust (yet still need to be cleaned) , and stop well in the rain .
On my 700 Hp Turbo I felt they would be unacceptable . The stock steel brakes worked great on stock Hp and even if the PCCB were better they were not designed to stop a 700 Hp car in thr manner that the BBK can do . With a car that can accelerate so fast it needs more than a stock designed brake to match its performance level and the PCCB were not the best choice . If they were --I would have only looked for a car with them on day one.
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
On my 700 Hp Turbo I felt they would be unacceptable . The stock steel brakes worked great on stock Hp and even if the PCCB were better they were not designed to stop a 700 Hp car in thr manner that the BBK can do . .
I can't speak to the performance of PCCB's in a 700HP application. However, I think the main advantage of PCCB's isn't necessarily the stopping power (which needs some heat to fully maximize), but rather the increasing handling ability by dramatically decreasing the unsprung weight up front. If you like to drive aggressively, or take your car out on a road course, this turns out to be a great advantage.
It looks like this thread took the exact direction you asked it didn't, and I don't think I helped that any....
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This is not a performance based upgrade and price isn't a deciding factor. I am interested if the kit that Suncoast sells is 100% bolt on and will effectively have the exact same parts as if the car was built on the factory floor - or if there is a minor "hack factor". My goal would be to have the install to be indistinguishable from a car that was built in Germany.
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[QUOTE=yrralis1;2618682]
You're slowing down a moving mass-shouldn't matter how much power it's making unless you are one who typically drives full throttle while standing on the brake pedal.
For a track application the PCCBs should be far more resistant to brake fade that the steel. There is a reason why composite brakes are used in Formula 1.
To the OP. I have read about calibration changes in the ABS hydraulic control unit-not sure if this is true or not but it is a question to ask. My guess is the rest of the change over is limited to the corners and not brake lines running to the corners. Should be a pretty straight forward change over.
FTR I love my PCCBs.
[Nothing beats PCCBs! Ask the pro drivers (who coach on the side..they'll tell you!)./QUOTE]
There are a few who post here and the opinion is mixed . Some love them but not all.
Pro , amateur, or just a dude with a car -opinion is simply that.
I happen to like the PCCB under thse two conditions :1) That they are already on the car which in itself is 8 grand or 2) That the car remains at stock or near stock Hp .
PCCB brakes were designed by Porsche for a stock 997 and when my 05 launch car had them I thought they were great . They are light , have no brake dust (yet still need to be cleaned) , and stop well in the rain .
On my 700 Hp Turbo I felt they would be unacceptable . The stock steel brakes worked great on stock Hp and even if the PCCB were better they were not designed to stop a 700 Hp car in thr manner that the BBK can do . With a car that can accelerate so fast it needs more than a stock designed brake to match its performance level and the PCCB were not the best choice . If they were --I would have only looked for a car with them on day one.
There are a few who post here and the opinion is mixed . Some love them but not all.
Pro , amateur, or just a dude with a car -opinion is simply that.
I happen to like the PCCB under thse two conditions :1) That they are already on the car which in itself is 8 grand or 2) That the car remains at stock or near stock Hp .
PCCB brakes were designed by Porsche for a stock 997 and when my 05 launch car had them I thought they were great . They are light , have no brake dust (yet still need to be cleaned) , and stop well in the rain .
On my 700 Hp Turbo I felt they would be unacceptable . The stock steel brakes worked great on stock Hp and even if the PCCB were better they were not designed to stop a 700 Hp car in thr manner that the BBK can do . With a car that can accelerate so fast it needs more than a stock designed brake to match its performance level and the PCCB were not the best choice . If they were --I would have only looked for a car with them on day one.
For a track application the PCCBs should be far more resistant to brake fade that the steel. There is a reason why composite brakes are used in Formula 1. To the OP. I have read about calibration changes in the ABS hydraulic control unit-not sure if this is true or not but it is a question to ask. My guess is the rest of the change over is limited to the corners and not brake lines running to the corners. Should be a pretty straight forward change over.
FTR I love my PCCBs.
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GMG's warm-up track car runs on stock 997S PCCB's and apparently does fantatic with them. They tend to be looked down upon due to their high cost of replacement should something happen to them or just from hard track abuse. That being said, GMG's car has nothing but track miles on it and still going strong, last I heard/saw.
Is a Brembo GTR brake upgrade going to offer more? Yes, but do these cars need it.... not really.
You really need to get yourself to a DE Larry. You would be shocked at how good the stopping power of the "limited" Big Reds are.
Bottom line, the OP's stock brakes are over capable for an amature driver on most tracks. PCCB's would be a great upgrade and offer significant and noticable weight savings. I have heard anywhere from 50lbs of unsprung mass can be saved by switching to PCCB's. That is equivalent to over 200lbs of sprung mass. Like removing a good size person from your car.
Buuutttt... at $320 per pound the price does not justify the peformance benefit. Even the BBK Brembo kits are lighter and better performing than your current setup and on par or better than the 997S PCCB option.
Like others have said the PCCB 997S option on Suncoastparts.com is simply a bolt on switch. It really is just a matter of purchasing the uber expesnive rotors, pads, and housing....
Jason
[Nothing beats PCCBs! Ask the pro drivers (who coach on the side..they'll tell you!)./QUOTE]
There are a few who post here and the opinion is mixed . Some love them but not all.
Pro , amateur, or just a dude with a car -opinion is simply that.
I happen to like the PCCB under thse two conditions :1) That they are already on the car which in itself is 8 grand or 2) That the car remains at stock or near stock Hp .
PCCB brakes were designed by Porsche for a stock 997 and when my 05 launch car had them I thought they were great . They are light , have no brake dust (yet still need to be cleaned) , and stop well in the rain .
On my 700 Hp Turbo I felt they would be unacceptable . The stock steel brakes worked great on stock Hp and even if the PCCB were better they were not designed to stop a 700 Hp car in thr manner that the BBK can do . With a car that can accelerate so fast it needs more than a stock designed brake to match its performance level and the PCCB were not the best choice . If they were --I would have only looked for a car with them on day one.
There are a few who post here and the opinion is mixed . Some love them but not all.
Pro , amateur, or just a dude with a car -opinion is simply that.
I happen to like the PCCB under thse two conditions :1) That they are already on the car which in itself is 8 grand or 2) That the car remains at stock or near stock Hp .
PCCB brakes were designed by Porsche for a stock 997 and when my 05 launch car had them I thought they were great . They are light , have no brake dust (yet still need to be cleaned) , and stop well in the rain .
On my 700 Hp Turbo I felt they would be unacceptable . The stock steel brakes worked great on stock Hp and even if the PCCB were better they were not designed to stop a 700 Hp car in thr manner that the BBK can do . With a car that can accelerate so fast it needs more than a stock designed brake to match its performance level and the PCCB were not the best choice . If they were --I would have only looked for a car with them on day one.
Is a Brembo GTR brake upgrade going to offer more? Yes, but do these cars need it.... not really.
You really need to get yourself to a DE Larry. You would be shocked at how good the stopping power of the "limited" Big Reds are.
Bottom line, the OP's stock brakes are over capable for an amature driver on most tracks. PCCB's would be a great upgrade and offer significant and noticable weight savings. I have heard anywhere from 50lbs of unsprung mass can be saved by switching to PCCB's. That is equivalent to over 200lbs of sprung mass. Like removing a good size person from your car.
Buuutttt... at $320 per pound the price does not justify the peformance benefit. Even the BBK Brembo kits are lighter and better performing than your current setup and on par or better than the 997S PCCB option.
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I did preface my reply by stating that if one remains at or near stock Hp the PCCB would be an upgrade from the steel . I even cited the same reasons (weight etc.) as you.
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You're slowing down a moving mass-shouldn't matter how much power it's making unless you are one who typically drives full throttle while standing on the brake pedal. For a track application the PCCBs should be far more resistant to brake fade that the steel. There is a reason why composite brakes are used in Formula 1.
To the OP. I have read about calibration changes in the ABS hydraulic control unit-not sure if this is true or not but it is a question to ask. My guess is the rest of the change over is limited to the corners and not brake lines running to the corners. Should be a pretty straight forward change over.
FTR I love my PCCBs.
1) Actually it does matter . Hitting the brakes is not a matter of merely stopping the car but how well it can handle stopping it from warp speed with 200+ extra Hp.
2) I agree that PCCB on the track with a car designed for them is the ideal setup . But most of these cars on the forum are not running stock Hp and some are several 100 Hp above.
3) You love yoir PCCB . I loved mine too , I am not biased though as I have had both setups and am not arguing from a position of ownership . You spent 8+K to have them on your car and given that info it one might infer the need to justify it .
You're slowing down a moving mass-shouldn't matter how much power it's making unless you are one who typically drives full throttle while standing on the brake pedal.
For a track application the PCCBs should be far more resistant to brake fade that the steel. There is a reason why composite brakes are used in Formula 1. To the OP. I have read about calibration changes in the ABS hydraulic control unit-not sure if this is true or not but it is a question to ask. My guess is the rest of the change over is limited to the corners and not brake lines running to the corners. Should be a pretty straight forward change over.
FTR I love my PCCBs.
2) I agree that PCCB on the track with a car designed for them is the ideal setup . But most of these cars on the forum are not running stock Hp and some are several 100 Hp above.
3) You love yoir PCCB . I loved mine too , I am not biased though as I have had both setups and am not arguing from a position of ownership . You spent 8+K to have them on your car and given that info it one might infer the need to justify it .