C4 vs. C4S
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Great stuff. Thanks for all the information and opinions. I wasn't concentrating on the C4S, just wanted a C4 as a DD. But , eventually, all my cars move on no matter how long I say I'm going to keep it. The '06 C4 models have dropped a good 40% from new where the S seems to hold more value. In the end, I'm looking for as low a mileage car as possible. Know of any blue/tan C4 coupes for sale 
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I do think the marketing is good, but the performance of the brakes are worth noting. I can tell a huge difference between the red and the black breaks. Red being larger really have you stop on a dime. Not ridden a car with the larger ceramic yellow brakes, but i hear they are outstanding, but lots of $$$.
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I do think the marketing is good, but the performance of the brakes are worth noting. I can tell a huge difference between the red and the black breaks. Red being larger really have you stop on a dime. Not ridden a car with the larger ceramic yellow brakes, but i hear they are outstanding, but lots of $$$.
and do not overheat on a track as fast as smaller base black brakes do. stopping power is a rotors-pads-tires combo effect. stock base car calipers apply same pressure to pads so it is not really relevant.
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We ended up with a 4S. (my husband convinced me we neeeeeeeeeded it.) I didn't drive the standard 4 long enough to tell the driving differences b/w the 4 and 4S....but I understand most of these cars aren't much different when driving the speed limit. I didn't push back to the S-model because it come with some options that are standard: better seats, leather, a more comfy, wrapped steering wheel, navigation, and bun warmers. It has performance items - fancy big red brakes, a bigger engine, stability stuff). But, I'll never really notice this stuff on my way to work. My husband really likes to show off the "sports" mode option and the stop-watch on the dash to his friends.
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I looked at MANY base cars when I was buying mine and I only saw one that did not have Xenons. It was truly a stripped car (of course the dealer wanted a fortune for it).
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they actually stop car in exactly same way, benefit of 'red' brakes is that they are red painted indeed and do not overheat on a track as fast as smaller base black brakes do.
stopping power is a rotors-pads-tires combo effect. stock base car calipers apply same pressure to pads so it is not really relevant.
and do not overheat on a track as fast as smaller base black brakes do. stopping power is a rotors-pads-tires combo effect. stock base car calipers apply same pressure to pads so it is not really relevant.
PS, i think this is what really happened, no lie.
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Sorry if I am derailing the thread but... My impression was always that larger breaks increased stopping power and/or control over breaking. I have never done a - b comparisons but my thought process was always bigger breaks = more surface area = more pad to rotor contact, which I thought would improve performance and control.
I understand that the tire is ultimately the deciding factor as once any break locks up the stopping power is 100% equal, and that a large advantage of bigger breaks is additional coooling and wear. I was just always under the impression that some performance gain was attributed as well.
I am sure there are tons of posts that go into great detail on the topic, I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
I understand that the tire is ultimately the deciding factor as once any break locks up the stopping power is 100% equal, and that a large advantage of bigger breaks is additional coooling and wear. I was just always under the impression that some performance gain was attributed as well.
I am sure there are tons of posts that go into great detail on the topic, I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
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