Can someone summarize what came standard on the '06-'07 C4S vs. the C4 (coupe)? In the market for a wide-body, and low-mile C4 vs. a higher mile C4S at about the same price. Car will be almost a daily driver in the Northeast.

 

lower
bigger brakes
more tq
more hp
sport steering wheel (if option was left on)

 

same exact option set diff as for c2 - c2s. plenty of threads about this topic here.
3.8L engine, bigger self-adjusting clutch, bigger brakes with red calipers, pasm. some base cars also can have pasm installed as a custom option.

none of that matters much for a DD car excluding may be bigger engine which is always nice to have. 'S' version is more marketable, as usual, and easier to resell.

 

Xenon headlamps and larger rims/tires.

 

I was hoping there would be a comprehensive list somewhere. I've read snippets here and there. So far as I can gather:

19" rims standard (vs. 18" on C4)
PASM (due to the 19" rims standard)
3.8 vs. 3.6 (355 vs. 325Hp)
The big, red brakes
"self adjusting clutch" was news to me! Just on C4S?
"sport steering wheel" was also news to me.
Enhanced PSM:
Sudden throttle lift pressurizes brakes (software feature)
Rapid brake pedal deploys full pressure
Bi-Xenon standard
$10k USD over C4

Anything else?

 

I agree with most of your combined list, but I think the enhanced PSM referenced as part of the S is also on the C4 as well.

I have an '06 C4 and found it a better value when I purchased it new. I did test drive the S and didn't notice performance gains on my limited test drive although there were more standard features as you noticed.

In the end I was able to negotiate a much better deal for the C4 than for the C4S which in my case included the 19" wheels, full leather, Xenons, heated seats and 6 speed.

I think you'll like either car and should focus on finding the best deal available.

 

I've got to agree with Bob. Make a list of the features that YOU find most important and then go from there. You'll definitely find some nicely option C4's and some overly optioned C4S's. It would be silly to pay for things you don't really want. If it's going to be a northeast DD, consider not going for 19s...you may very well prefer 18s, especially if you spend any time in or around Boston. Good luck with the search!


-Alex

 

yep, i sold my 19" rims with loss altogether with PS2 rubber an not ever getting them again.

 

Lower ride height due to different springs.
Different exhaust tips.
Note that the Porsche Xenon lights are among the best out there. If you get a base car, be sure to get one equipped with them.

 

as many base cars i`ve seen so far i have never saw one without xenons.

 

Here is an excerpt from the MY2007 ordering guide... Looks like engine, wheels, brakes, suspension and xenon are the highlights.

On the used market, C4 seem to be harder to sell than the C4S, I guess the perception is that a "heavier car" i.e. a car with 4WD, can really benefits from the extra HP, and consequentially, the C4 not having the HP, do sell for less. One could also argue that the 4WD will help you "harness" the extra power of the S. But my guess is more that people who have the money to go C4, don't really have a problem going all the way to C4S. But both are great cars and have plenty to offer IMHO.

HTH,

T.

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Porsche Cars North America – United States Order Guide – 2007 Model Year
Options, Prices, content, and availability are subject to change without notice.

Carrera 4 Coupe US $78,200
Model Year 2007 Standard Equipment includes:
Engine
325 hp, 273 lb ft torque - 3.6 liter horizontally opposed 6 cylinder, aluminum alloy engine block & cylinder heads, rear mounted engine. Integrated dry sump lubrication system with oil cooler. 4 overhead camshafts, 4 valves per cylinder, “VarioCam Plus” continuously variable inlet valve timing and lift. 2 stage resonance induction intake manifold. Cylinder specific knock control. Stainless steel exhaust system with twin brushed steel tail pipes.
Power Transmission
6-speed Manual Transmission with double inertia flywheel. Hydraulic clutch actuation. All wheel drive with viscous multi disc clutch center differential.
Chassis and Suspension
8”x18” pressure cast Carrera III wheels, 235/40ZR18 summer high performance tires - Front. 10”x18” pressure cast Carrera III wheels, 265/40ZR18 summer high performance tires - Rear. Includes anti-theft device. TPMS – Tire Pressure Monitoring System. Puncture sealing compound and electric compressor. Power assisted steering with variable ratio. McPherson strut suspension with stabilizer bar – front. Multi link LSA (Light, Stable, Agile) suspension with 14mm/0.5” enlarged track, stabilizer bar – rear. PSM – (Porsche Stability Management), with ABS (Anti lock Braking System), ASR (Anti Slip Regulation), ABD (Automatic Brake Differential) and EDTC (Engine Drag Torque Control).
Braking System
12.5” vented and perforated rotors w/ 4 piston monobloc black calipers – front, 11.8” vented and perforated rotors w/ 4 piston monobloc black calipers – rear. ABS 8.0 – Anti Lock Braking System with braking readiness function and Brake Assist. Brake pad wear indicators, hand operated parking brake.
Body
Two plus two Coupe, body shell hot dip galvanized on both sides. Wider body by 44mm/1.7”. Luggage compartment lid in aluminum. Electric sliding roof with tip open/close. Front air dam with air intakes in black. Preparation for roof-rack system installation. Side windows with water repellant coating. Heat able rear window. Automatically extendable rear spoiler. Rear logotype in Titanium color. Full underbodypaneling. 17.7 gallon fuel tank.
Lighting System
H7 Halogen headlights with welcome home function. Front and rear fog lamps. Uniform lighting concept in white for entire interior, continuously variable. Foot well lighting.
Electrical Equipment
PCM (Porsche Communication Management) with 5.8’” color display, 12 digit keypad. AM/FM/CD radio with MP3-able CD drive for audio CD’s. Sound System Plus with 9 loudspeakers and 235 watt total power. On board computer w/ digital continuous indication of total mileage, trip mileage, time, outside temp and speed. 5 dial type gauges indicating RPM’s, speed, oil pressure, oil temperature, coolant temp and fuel level, w/ black dials. Electronic oil level measurement with map compensation. Power windows with tip up/tip down and antijamming. Two speed wiper system with rain sensor, wiper delay control, heated washer nozzles. Remote central locking w/ luggage compartment release. Anti theft system including passenger compartment monitoring. Homelink door opener, cruise control.
Passive Safety Equipment
Fully galvanized high strength steel body w/ front & rear deformation zones. 3 point seat belts w/ pre-tensioners and force limiters. Seat belt height adjustment. 2 stage driver/passenger airbags. Porsche Side Impact Protection System (POSIP) consisting of side impact protection elements in each door, thorax side airbags integrated in seat backrests, head airbags located in door trim. Preparation for child seat anchorage (ISOFIX) on passenger side w/ switch for airbag deactivation.
Interior Equipment
Driver and passenger seat with electrical backrest adjustment and manual horizontal and height adjustment. Split folding rear seats. 3 spoke steering wheel w/ manual reach and height adjustment. Steering wheel rim, front seat inlay, front seat lateral supports, and headrests covered in grained leather. Gear selector, hand brake grip, door handle, armrests in the door panels, center console storage pocket trimmed in smooth leather. Decorative stitching in light contrast color. Interior trim in soft-paint in interior color. Various interior parts in Volcano gray. Roof liner in Alcantara. Automatic climate control with integrated carbon filter. Two cup holders in front. Door storage bins. Door entry guards with “Carrera 4” logotype. Illuminated vanity mirror, driver and passenger.

Carrera 4S Coupe US $88,400
Model Year 2007 Standard Equipment includes:
Engine
355 hp, 295 lb ft torque - 3.8 liter horizontally opposed 6 cylinder, aluminum alloy engine block & cylinder heads, rear mounted engine. Integrated dry sump lubrication system with oil cooler. 4 overhead camshafts, 4 valves per cylinder, “VarioCam Plus” continuously variable inlet valve timing and lift. 2 stage resonance induction intake manifold. Cylinder specific knock control. High Performance exhaust manifolds. Stainless steel exhaust system with 2 dual brushed steel tail pipes.
Power Transmission
6-speed Manual Transmission with double inertia flywheel, self correcting X-tend clutch. Hydraulic clutch actuation. All wheel drive with viscous multi disc clutch center differential.
Chassis and Suspension
8”x19” pressure cast Carrera S wheels, 235/35ZR19 summer high performance tires - Front. 11”x19” pressure cast Carrera S wheels, 295/30ZR19 summer high performance tires - Rear. Includes anti-theft device. TPMS – Tire Pressure Monitoring System. Puncture sealing compound and electric compressor. Power assisted steering with variable ratio. McPherson strut suspension with stabilizer bar – front. Multi link LSA (Light, Stable, Agile) suspension with 32mm/1.25” enlarged track, stabilizer bar – rear. PASM – (Porsche Active Suspension Management) including 10mm lowering. PSM – (Porsche Stability Management), with ABS (Anti lock Braking System), ASR (Anti Slip Regulation), ABD (Automatic Brake Differential) and EDTC (Engine Drag Torque Control).
Braking System
13” vented and perforated rotors w/ 4 piston monobloc red calipers – front & rear. ABS 8.0 – Anti Lock Braking System with braking readiness function and Brake Assist. Brake pad wear indicators, hand operated parking brake.
Body
Two plus two Coupe, body shell hot dip galvanized on both sides. Wider body by 44mm/1.7”. Luggage compartment lid in aluminum. Electric sliding roof with tip open/close. Front air dam with air intakes in black. Preparation for roof-rack system installation. Side windows with water repellant coating. Heat able rear window. Automatically extendable rear spoiler. Rear logotype in Silver color. Full underbody paneling. 17.7 gallon fuel tank.
Lighting System
Bi-Xenon headlights with dynamic leveling, headlight washer system and welcome home function. Front and rear fog lamps. Uniform lighting concept in white for entire interior, continuously variable. Foot well lighting.
Electrical Equipment
PCM (Porsche Communication Management) with 5.8’” color display, 12 digit keypad. AM/FM/CD radio with MP3-able CD drive for audio CD’s. Sound System Plus with 9 loudspeakers and 235 watt total power. On board computer w/ digital continuous indication of total mileage, trip mileage, time, outside temp and speed. 5 dial type gauges indicating RPM’s, speed, oil pressure, oil temperature, coolant temp and fuel level, w/ aluminum dials. Electronic oil level measurement with map compensation. Power windows with tip up/tip down and anti-jamming. Two speed wiper system with rain sensor, wiper delay control, heated washer nozzles. Remote central locking w/ luggage compartment release. Anti theft system including passenger compartment monitoring. Homelink door opener, cruise control.
Passive Safety Equipment
Fully galvanized high strength steel body w/ front & rear deformation zones. 3 point seat belts w/ pre-tensioners and force limiters. Seat belt height adjustment. 2 stage driver/passenger airbags. Porsche Side Impact Protection System (POSIP) consisting of side impact protection elements in each door, thorax side airbags integrated in seat backrests, head airbags located in door trim. Preparation for child seat anchorage (ISOFIX) on passenger side w/ switch for airbag deactivation.
Interior Equipment
Driver and passenger seat with electrical backrest adjustment and manual horizontal and height adjustment. Split folding rear seats. 3 spoke sport steering wheel w/ manual reach and height adjustment. Steering wheel rim, front seat inlay, front seat lateral supports, and headrests covered in grained leather. Gear selector, hand brake grip, door handle, armrests in the door panels, center console storage pocket trimmed in smooth leather. Decorative stitching in light contrast color. Interior trim in soft-paint in interior color. Roof liner in Alcantara. Automatic climate control with integrated carbon filter. Two cup holders in front. Door storage bins. Door entry guards with “Carrera 4S” logotype. Illuminated vanity mirror, driver and passenger. Air vents, dashboard trim, trim strip gear lever in aluminum look paint finish, various components in Volcano Gray.

 

We ended up with a 4S. (my husband convinced me we neeeeeeeeeded it.) I didn't drive the standard 4 long enough to tell the driving differences b/w the 4 and 4S....but I understand most of these cars aren't much different when driving the speed limit. I didn't push back to the S-model because it come with some options that are standard: better seats, leather, a more comfy, wrapped steering wheel, navigation, and bun warmers. It has performance items - fancy big red brakes, a bigger engine, stability stuff). But, I'll never really notice this stuff on my way to work. My husband really likes to show off the "sports" mode option and the stop-watch on the dash to his friends.

 

Yes, it is a well known fact that black brakes are just so-so, red ones are better, and yellow ones are the best... Does marketing work or what?

That being said, and for some reason, when I stomp on any p-car brake pedal, and without regards to the caliper color, my neck hurts aplenty and I seem to stop fast enough in traffic to get rear ended if I am not extra careful. I'm just sayin'



T.

 

c2 vs c2s diffs are the least important things to be concerned about. for competitive driving all those minor diffs have no impact at all and for street DD driving they have even less relevance.

look at majority of racers here who tear off PASM altogether and go with aftermarket suspensions, GT3 parts, etc. I would stop discussing all that altogether. if budget allows - get an 'S', if you feel overly stretched - get a base car. in 3 months time you will stop thinking about that 'S' letter anyway and will be loving what you got.

 

+1, just find a color/option combo you like, which is often hard enough when looking at the used market.

I ended up with an "accidental" _S_ and I am nowhere near the limits of even a 912 from a driving perspective. So it was not a decisive factor for me. I had a non-S 2002 before and it was just fine.

"S" or not you will love the car.

T.