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Is The 997.2 (2nd gen.) 4s DFI Engine Better Than The 997.1 (1st gen.) 4s?

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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 01:08 AM
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Is The 997.2 (2nd gen.) 4s DFI Engine Better Than The 997.1 (1st gen.) 4s?

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I have done some searching here, but I have not found a really good comparison..

Pros and Cons please.

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I don't think Porsche will facelift a model to make it worst then the one before.

Gen 2 is faster, more economical and probably more driver friendly then the previous Gen1

Cons,
Engine a bit quiet without the sports exhaust
Steering lack feel at low speed
Engine oil consumption a bit high on my car
 
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Lots of threads on this, especially from those like me that have owned both - meaning, it's not just my opinion, but one I've seen over and over. 997.2 is a very nice evolution. Better engine with more power, yet more economical (I get over 30 MPG on the highway at speed), the suspension is Gen 2 PASM, which is now brilliant, and even something little like TPMS is now Gen 2 and it's actually pretty accurate now and much quicker. If I had a 997.1 I wouldn't get rid of it just to "upgrade", but if I were buying either for the first time, I'd definitely get the 997.2.
 
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Since you're comparing the 4S, you should note that the 997.2 has an active electronically controlled center clutch that apportions 0 - 100% of power to the front wheels where the 997.1 used a passive viscous center clutch that can only apportion 5-40% to the front. The 997.2 also comes with a limited slip diff.
 
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Thx for all those info! That's help me more understand my car!
 
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Thanks for the info. everyone, rep. points to say Thanks.

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Originally Posted by topspd
Since you're comparing the 4S, you should note that the 997.2 has an active electronically controlled center clutch that apportions 0 - 100% of power to the front wheels where the 997.1 used a passive viscous center clutch that can only apportion 5-40% to the front. The 997.2 also comes with a limited slip diff.
I am wondering if the 997.1 has the same AWD system as my old 996 4s?

I do remember the max power sent to the front is 40%, so I am assuming the answer is Yes?

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Originally Posted by AlFromCalabasas
I am wondering if the 997.1 has the same AWD system as my old 996 4s?

I do remember the max power sent to the front is 40%, so I am assuming the answer is Yes?

Thanks,
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Yes. The 997.2 4 has a different system.
 
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Adias, it seems the 997.2 DFI engines consume waaaay more oil than the 1st gen 997's. Just a two hour trip and I already see one bar dip when I check the oil level on my 997.2.
 
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The 997.1 has the IMS but has generally lower oil consumption reported.

The 997.2 has a bit more hp and a few more mpg but with the potential issues with the high pressure fuel pump.
 
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Originally Posted by w00tPORSCHE
Adias, it seems the 997.2 DFI engines consume waaaay more oil than the 1st gen 997's. Just a two hour trip and I already see one bar dip when I check the oil level on my 997.2.
DFI engines do not have any higher propensity to use oil than flat 6 non-DFI engines. Most DFI owners owners I know use no oil.

In some cases, use patterns may play a role. Short trips 2- 3 miles for example.

One bar down is not much. Do not add oil with just one bar down, wait until you are 3 bars down and then add 1qt. Too much oil is worse than a bit less than max.
 
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Originally Posted by Fahrer
The 997.1 has the IMS but has generally lower oil consumption reported.

The 997.2 has a bit more hp and a few more mpg but with the potential issues with the high pressure fuel pump.
Earlier 997.2 cars had a series with a bad HPFP. Not all.
 
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My 997.2 has used no oil in 4500kms. My 997.1 would go through a bottle every 5000-7500kms.
 
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Good info. Thanks, Guys.
 
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Originally Posted by RonCT
Lots of threads on this, especially from those like me that have owned both - meaning, it's not just my opinion, but one I've seen over and over. 997.2 is a very nice evolution. Better engine with more power, yet more economical (I get over 30 MPG on the highway at speed), the suspension is Gen 2 PASM, which is now brilliant, and even something little like TPMS is now Gen 2 and it's actually pretty accurate now and much quicker. If I had a 997.1 I wouldn't get rid of it just to "upgrade", but if I were buying either for the first time, I'd definitely get the 997.2.
+1....also less moving parts in the .2S 3.8L engine and I believe Porsche fixed the possible RMS leak the other engines have had. However the .1 3.8L engine is awesome and I had 2 of them, heavily tracked with no issues.

I alo have to tell you that like RonCT I also have the Sport PASM and to me this suspension fits the sporty character of the car better than regualr PASM.
 


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