Damn, previous owner must've been rough on it! See 30k is much more reasonable for a clutch lifetime if you really beat on it.

2500 is clearly a defect and they should take care of it.

OP, as usual your best bet is see if another dealer will be more reasonable. There's huge variation on how reasonable the service departments are, some are great, some are terrible.

 

I just drove for the first time, a 911 S. At the dealer today working on the discussion, I asked to drive a different car same spec. It was a cab but other than that it was the same.

Holy Crap - the release on the clutch was beautiful. The power was clean and the difference (from the start) in my car is so noticeable now. I now know what people talk about when they say clean power delivery and a smooth release clutch. This was my first Porsche so I guess I accepted the feel of the car since I did not know (it was fast and I was awed by that). I always complained about the clutch but who was I to say if they said it feels normal.

Thanks all for your comments and support. This community seems a lot like the Ducati one.

The quick update is that yes the dealer is replacing the clutch, flywheel etc. for free. I think overall it just takes time and pressure. The engine is new; saw it, which was cool.

This last post is interesting to me because it could have been part of the issue.

Overall, I am not going to just let them sit with only giving me new parts, but what a fair exchange is still to be determined. I don’t really just want to pound my chest… this is not a normal situation.

We will see once I get back my car.

 

Well -
Here is the best case scenario I ever read on 6speed . His original post was of a Turbo that he was very unhappy with . He insisted on "a new car" and said he got it.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ent-lemon.html

A more common scenario (with less headache but more expense ) is this--https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...2-quality.html

Myself -- - I would table discussions towards a trade in. If I spend 100+ K on a car and I am not enjoying it .. then its time for a new car .


BTW -- Here is an example of a guy who let 18 months go ----before trading it
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...leak-saga.html

 

The links you put in dont work but I would be very interested in reading.

 

They worked for me and now they don't . Hmmm ... ?

 

Now they do .. temporary glitch ?

 

I agree 100% with the previous poster - I purchased a used, low milage E46 M3 with SMG from a well known M3 club guy - I had issue after issue with the SMG, stranding me 5 times in 6 months - a friend of mine grew up with the owner of our local BMW dealership, contacted him, he said bring it in again - talked to the techs, and turned out they all knew the car from the previous owner and it had been in their shop over and over again...Dealer offered me top money on a trade in (essentially what I had paid for it, used), I traded it in on a car that I've now happily had for 6 years.

I buy cars to enjoy - if you're not enjoying your car, trade it in on an S or a pdk car and start over in a brand new relationship (marriage should be so easy...).

tim

 

I am starting to agree more and more.. Iat first I thoght a new car was an unreasonable demand, but after driving a different one yesterday and feeling the difference, I am leaning that way.

I also dont know what else might go wrong? If the clutch was bad, it could have been a number of extnernal issues.

Thanks

 

Have they checked the pressure plate?

 

Ok, so I got back my car with a new engine and a new clutch.

First the good: The engine is new and better. My gas mileage has improved significantly to about 13-15 in SF city proper and a steady 24-26 on the highway. (Same roads tested).
The OK – No word yet from Porsche on how I will be compensated beyond parts but I will fight for this.
The bad – The clutch still feels the same. I will describe a bit more and maybe someone will have ideas. To the poster above, they did check the pressure plate and it was fine. They said the burn marks were on both sides and pressure plate issues would have caused it on one side?

I had them drive with me three times:

1. Last Saturday in an S cab – if you note above I said the clutch felt totally different
2. I picked up my car and they drove with me. I noted right way that it still felt tight and the release was not smooth.
3. I then drove another S (just in) Again I noted that this felt better. My exact comments were (and I know it is hard to describe clutch feel):

The clutch on the other cars feels lighter both in the press and spring back. I was told that I should engage and just let the clutch out fast. Easy to do on these other cars as they sprung back smoothly and with that same light feel. My car springs back hard and the car jerks, which is why I have to feather clutch so I don’t throw up. The other cars felt as though the engagement started early and was constant through the release. Mine still feels like the engagement (half way up) is still heavy.


After my driving the dealer drove my car. They say they don’t feel anything. This is nuts, a moron could feel it. Even if they did not agree that it was out of spec, feeling a clutch should be easy. Not that the dealer was real good at driving my car either.

Regardless, I feel a difference, my clutch burned at 2500 miles, this new one still feels off compared to other cars and the dealer drove with me so they know I can drive a clutch.

Very frustrating and I am not sure what to do now. Have them measure the release pressure? Is the linkage wrong?

I also still smell clutch. It’s a new one so it may for a bit but it should go away. When I drove the other cars… no clutch smell.

JHmmmmm


PS. Another 1000 miles before I can have fun again stinks but at least its new. Cilinder 4 was scarred and was running at about 230 PSI vs. 250.

 

Now might be a good time to get someone from a reputable independent shop to drive it and see what they think about the clutch feel. If they also feel that it is not fixed correctly you will be in a better position if fails again.

Sorry to hear about your troubles. What a nightmare! I also don't think you can burn up a clutch in 2500 miles unless you ride around with your foot on the clutch. You have had no problems with previous manual sports cars so clearly this is not the case here.

Good luck.

 

+1. Agree. Take it to a good indie and see what they say. I feel they are less likely to yank your chain since they are not on the hook for the warranty work. Plus the indies seem to do more to earn your business.

 

I agree cluych could not have been normal wear. I hadn;t driven a stick in 25 years until earlier this year when I bought a 911 can with 900 miles on it. Even with relearning to drive a stick and in heavy ATL commute traffic, I put 5000 on the car and clutch felt great. I'm sure I wore it more than a seasoned stick driver but clutch was great. If I didn't burn it up, I'm sure you didn't. I'd get another opinion then they can't discredit your assessment so easily.

 

I suggest you take the car to S-Car-Go in San Rafael. They are great folks and will give you an honest evaluation of the condition of the car. The only danger is that they have a lot of cool stuff in their shop, and you will be tempted to modify your car..., but you'll know afterward if it is working properly.

tim

 

You say that, like it's a bad thing...