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Old Oct 8, 2011 | 06:21 PM
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I would just enjoy the car. You didn't even notice until he pointed it out. Life is way too short to make yourself nuts over this.The car looked amazing right? In fact, the more paint chips I get happier I am!
Totally agree. Now quit thinking about the paint. Go out for a drive.
 
Old Oct 8, 2011 | 07:54 PM
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I deff would be pissed if i spent that much money to find out later it was completly resprayed its the principle.the dealer not telling him it was. Shadey shadey on that dealer.
 
Old Oct 8, 2011 | 08:59 PM
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At least get some retribution from the guy who did the PPI. For someone not to notice full repaint is just an *******. You take a paint meter and the paint is thicker over the entire car. You don't need to be an expert. Frankly, I ask for the meter myself and meter all the panels.
 
Old Oct 8, 2011 | 09:44 PM
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I too bought a 2006 C2 from a reputable dealer. I plan to respray the bumper at some point and fix a few chips on the hood. I bought the body protection plan from the dealer that fixes any dents or scratches on the steel body or wheels. However, now I am really afraid to check the history of the car with your post! Some things are better NOT knowing! It looks great. It runs great. It makes me happy inside! That's all I need to know.
 
Old Oct 8, 2011 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rocklock
[...] I've not seen any obvious signs of damage, nor did Auto Gallery for what ever that is worth. Does anyone know of a reliable body shop in West San Fernando Valley? Once again thanks.

Gary
One of the best in the country is San Pedro Autobody and they are worth the run down to San Pedro: http://www.sanpedroautobody.com/ Their quality is to die for and they do exotics regularly.

Meanwhile, I would settle for fixing any appearance flaws that bother you personally and to hell with whoever buys the car next. If you aren't picking up any problem with drivability, and Auto Gallery spotted nothing mechanical, then I vote for enjoying the car and never mind the cause of the re-paint. One thing we sometimes forget is that cars get damaged in shipping. Usually just cosmetic damage, caused by storms at sea or handling in port, and the manufacturers send the damaged cars to some very good body shop to replace the panels damaged and re-paint the car to whatever extent is necessary.

I've forgotten the guideline on when they disclose this to potential buyers, but it's at a pretty extensive level of cosmetic damage. Memory suggests one quarter panel plus one entire end of the car before they sell the car as having been repaired. None of this shows up on CarFax because it isn't an accident in the sense that is meant by the reportability rules of various states. The point is, the manufacturer painted it before shipping and the manufacturer repaints it. The car is still a new car until first registered. And the new paint is warranted just like the factory paint. Yes, paint applied in the special ovens of a factory is better in some senses, but not to an earthshaking extent when compared to one of the top body shops that does all the steps, like color sanding and so forth.

Your car sounds like it wasn't damaged that way, but may have been damaged during ground shipping from the port to the first dealer, who then used a local body shop to repair the damage instead of Porsche's East or West Coast contract shop. Either that, or the guy who suffered that minor damage is like you and me and he was so upset he had damn near the whole car painted to ensure a color match. We did that when someone keyed Cindy's NSX a few years ago.

That's how I know about San Pedro Autobody. Two years ago, a dealer crashed that NSX and refused to fix it. USAA sent us to San Pedro because they have a national reputation, and they have that reputation because throughout the production life of the NSX, they were the West Coast paint shop for Acura. Good business practices besides being very good at their trade. I'll tell you more if you decide to get work done.

An odd coincidence is that my detailer just spotted a repainted quarter panel on my Arctic Silver C2S last Saturday. And our carfax doesn't even show a bumper being scarred, let alone an entire quarter panel. What is this? War on people named Gary month?

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Old Oct 9, 2011 | 01:48 AM
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Try bells and Vaughn/carstar on foothill in Pasadena. The owner, rafi, has owned porsches, panteras etc. Ask for rafi and tell him Andre sent you.
 
Old Oct 9, 2011 | 08:09 AM
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Thanks to everyone for the great advice. Gary, I work near Pedro so that will work out great. If it's Gary's this month, I wonder who will be next!

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Old Oct 9, 2011 | 08:27 AM
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Try http://www.aviocoachcraft.com/ they are really good. Across from Lucent
 
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Try http://www.aviocoachcraft.com/ they are really good. Across from Lucent
I recommend this shop as well if you don't want to drive all the way to San Pedro.
 
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Sounds like you bought a mechanically sound used Porsche that looks amazing. Great. So what's the problem. No matter what you paid for the car you're not going to get anywhere near that when you sell it, trade it or total it. It's already worth less than you paid for it, respray or not, it will make very little difference in value by the time you want to get something different. Drive the car, enjoy the car. That's why you bought it and that's the whole point to owning a sports car.
 

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Old Oct 9, 2011 | 10:19 AM
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With regards to relying on a Carfax, anybody that relies on one to tell them the whole story of a car is really pretty dumb. You can only guarantee it'll show you things that have been reported to Carfax. Lots of things don't. I had a 996 C4 that I had a very bad accident in. It launched 50 feet through the air off a back country road in upstate NY late one night at 100mph. Total damage was $30k. I had a shop fix it up and they put a super paint job on it that was WAY better than stock, but it was still repainted. Anybody want to guess what Carfax showed? Zip zero nada nothing.

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Not necessarily. I re-spray, especially on the nose of a 911 is very common and not always indicative of an accident. Care to venture how may 911's have the front end re-sprayed? A lot. And I have seen more than just a few 'restored' or re-conditioned old 911's that look amazing with a non-factory paint job. Manufacturers do a good job of getting into every cranny, as you say, on a pre-build body, the paint quality has really diminished in the last decade or so.

Anyway, like someone said earlier, the OP isn't driving a classic. His car will develop imperfections if it's driven on the open road. I really wouldn't worry about re-sale.
My post didn't say anything about a respray of the front bumper, only a complete repaint. I'm well aware how many 911 have had their front bumper and sometimes the front of the hood and quarterpanels resprayed. Much different than repainting an entire car.

Personally I think Porsche has gotten a little better in the last 10 years with their paint work. I've had a 2001 and 2004 996 and the paint isn't all that great, but the paint on the 911 in the last few years definitely has been looking better.
 

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Just enjoy the car man. If it didn't show up on carfax when you bought it it won't show up when you sell it. The shop must have done a very good job. Sometime you need to fade the paint to get it to blend properly so they may paint a panel or two down stream to make it look great. The car must not have had any major damage. It's typical to have front or rear fascia's repaired. You got a 6-year old car. Post some pictures and I bet it still looks amazing.

quote=rocklock;3335560]Took my 06 C2 in for detailing yesterday. Mind you this is my first P car so I'm a total neophite. Anyway first he gives me the good news with is readily apparent. The car looks amazing. Very nice job. He says "Your car came out well. They did a great job on the repaint. You can tell they did a very good job" Say what? "It looks like your car was probably totally repainted." He then pointed out all the little tiny imperfections . WTF I was aware of one incident reported in CarFax. It was a replaced R/F headlight and bumper cover. Why would the whole car be repainted for that? I would assume, the bumper, RF fender and hood but not whole car. So now I'm wondering what else may have happened. Is there anyway to find out the reported incident history on a car beside carfax. I understand that alot of stuff doesn't get reported to the insurance co. I really bummed. The car itself mechanically seems very solid. It's loaded and very pretty, arctic silver with full coco brown interior. I bought it from a well known SFV Porsche import dealer moves mainly P cars. Of course there was no disclosure of a full repaint!![/quote]
 
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Totally agree. Now quit thinking about the paint. Go out for a drive.
Absolutely agree. I got my car for a great price because of this silliness. My car had 1 previous owner. $8000 paint job 3 years before he got rid of it. His girlfriend keyed every panel. I verified this with the paint shop and had a thorough PPI done. I came back as a great car with low miles and a total spray with no body damage. The car looks great, I love driving it and I bought it for a steal! If you are buying it to drive it, that is the way to go. If you are buying it for an investment, I have some ocean front property in Nebraska you'd love.

Don't sweat it. Love it, drive it, enjoy it. Don't worry about resale.
 
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Do what you must, but enjoy the car ! Life is short, enjoy the ride
 
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buying a new or used car, its a big investment, I was in a similar situation, a lot of members keep telling me to sleep over and have fun with my car, good thing I bought the car from a reputable dealer, I had the choice of exchange the car or a refund, one full side was repainted, I was not happy about it, so I picked another car, everyone is different..
 


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