Buying a 2005 C2S with PCBP
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Buying a 2005 C2S with PCCB
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First post after a lot of research on the forum. I am wanting to buy a 2005 C2S with ceramic brake package and around 58k miles. opinions, comments or concerns on the age/milage of this car? I do not want anything terribly maintenance heavy, I know these cars can be expensive but I am prepared for that.
Just any heads up or advise on buying a 7 year old porsche, I do plan to have a pre buy done on the car by a reptuable porsche repair dealer in Houston.
Thanks again, looking forward to joining the group.
Michael
First post after a lot of research on the forum. I am wanting to buy a 2005 C2S with ceramic brake package and around 58k miles. opinions, comments or concerns on the age/milage of this car? I do not want anything terribly maintenance heavy, I know these cars can be expensive but I am prepared for that.
Just any heads up or advise on buying a 7 year old porsche, I do plan to have a pre buy done on the car by a reptuable porsche repair dealer in Houston.
Thanks again, looking forward to joining the group.
Michael
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It is probably a launch edition. I almost bought one of these C2S from the dealer in Kentucky..... I am glad I did not.
The car had PCCB brakes, was black, 55K miles, and had had the Infamous Center bearing replaced.....
I found a C4S later on Atlanta and I am so glad I did.
The 2005 models have a lot of issues and missing features from 2006 and on. Unless the price is dirty cheap, stay away from it. Believe me, you do not want PCCB brakes even though you seem to indicate that price is not an issue. If it is not an issue, go for a 2006 model or later.
Yves
The car had PCCB brakes, was black, 55K miles, and had had the Infamous Center bearing replaced.....
I found a C4S later on Atlanta and I am so glad I did.
The 2005 models have a lot of issues and missing features from 2006 and on. Unless the price is dirty cheap, stay away from it. Believe me, you do not want PCCB brakes even though you seem to indicate that price is not an issue. If it is not an issue, go for a 2006 model or later.
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The main thing I like about this car is the PCCB, I get a lot of conflicting information on these.
I am starting to understand some on the 2005s issues as compared to 2006.
the car is pretty cheap at 41k
I am starting to understand some on the 2005s issues as compared to 2006.
the car is pretty cheap at 41k
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At 41K it is not cheap !
The launch edition I was looking at last year (mind you , a year ago) was at $41K. The dealer refused to drop the price to 39K and I am glad he did, because I was much luckier later on finding a 2006 4S instead of a 2005 2S for just a few thousands above the price of the 2S (the 4S had only 36K miles).
Your situation reminds me so much of myself a year ago. I would not rush, take my time and not jump on the first car that shows up. These Launch 2005 cars have usually seen a lot of abuses as they were leased to Porsche executives or other people who really don't care much for their Porsche. The IMS is also a potential issue especially if it has not been changed.
If you can convince the dealer to change it for you, it may be worthwhile. Otherwise I would just pass and wait for a 2006.
Yves
The launch edition I was looking at last year (mind you , a year ago) was at $41K. The dealer refused to drop the price to 39K and I am glad he did, because I was much luckier later on finding a 2006 4S instead of a 2005 2S for just a few thousands above the price of the 2S (the 4S had only 36K miles).
Your situation reminds me so much of myself a year ago. I would not rush, take my time and not jump on the first car that shows up. These Launch 2005 cars have usually seen a lot of abuses as they were leased to Porsche executives or other people who really don't care much for their Porsche. The IMS is also a potential issue especially if it has not been changed.
If you can convince the dealer to change it for you, it may be worthwhile. Otherwise I would just pass and wait for a 2006.
Yves
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It is probably a launch edition. I almost bought one of these C2S from the dealer in Kentucky..... I am glad I did not.
The car had PCCB brakes, was black, 55K miles, and had had the Infamous Center bearing replaced.....
I found a C4S later on Atlanta and I am so glad I did.
The 2005 models have a lot of issues and missing features from 2006 and on. Unless the price is dirty cheap, stay away from it. Believe me, you do not want PCCB brakes even though you seem to indicate that price is not an issue. If it is not an issue, go for a 2006 model or later.
Yves
The car had PCCB brakes, was black, 55K miles, and had had the Infamous Center bearing replaced.....
I found a C4S later on Atlanta and I am so glad I did.
The 2005 models have a lot of issues and missing features from 2006 and on. Unless the price is dirty cheap, stay away from it. Believe me, you do not want PCCB brakes even though you seem to indicate that price is not an issue. If it is not an issue, go for a 2006 model or later.
Yves
The PCCB brakes have been fantastic. They are virtually fade free at the track. Wheels stay much cleaner since they don't create much dust.
They also reduce unsprung weight.
Why should anyone believe you on the PCCB issue? Have you ever had a car equipped with them?
Admittedly - if you intend to use the car primarily for the track steel rotors would be a better choice.
As for "missing features" the Launch cars are very well optioned. I think newer 997.1s have TPMS but I trust my Longacre more than the TPMS sensors that need replacement when the batteries die.
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The launch car has every option I want an more, unlike most of the cars on the market.
Why is 41k a lot for this car? its comparable to most similar milage non S cars.
Just curious
Why is 41k a lot for this car? its comparable to most similar milage non S cars.
Just curious
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As an actual owner of an '05 Launch I can tell you that my direct experience contradicts what you have opined in your post.
The PCCB brakes have been fantastic. They are virtually fade free at the track. Wheels stay much cleaner since they don't create much dust.
They also reduce unsprung weight.
Why should anyone believe you on the PCCB issue? Have you ever had a car equipped with them?
Admittedly - if you intend to use the car primarily for the track steel rotors would be a better choice.
As for "missing features" the Launch cars are very well optioned. I think newer 997.1s have TPMS but I trust my Longacre more than the TPMS sensors that need replacement when the batteries die.
The PCCB brakes have been fantastic. They are virtually fade free at the track. Wheels stay much cleaner since they don't create much dust.
They also reduce unsprung weight.
Why should anyone believe you on the PCCB issue? Have you ever had a car equipped with them?
Admittedly - if you intend to use the car primarily for the track steel rotors would be a better choice.
As for "missing features" the Launch cars are very well optioned. I think newer 997.1s have TPMS but I trust my Longacre more than the TPMS sensors that need replacement when the batteries die.
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At 41K it is not cheap !
The launch edition I was looking at last year (mind you , a year ago) was at $41K. The dealer refused to drop the price to 39K and I am glad he did, because I was much luckier later on finding a 2006 4S instead of a 2005 2S for just a few thousands above the price of the 2S (the 4S had only 36K miles).
Your situation reminds me so much of myself a year ago. I would not rush, take my time and not jump on the first car that shows up. These Launch 2005 cars have usually seen a lot of abuses as they were leased to Porsche executives or other people who really don't care much for their Porsche. The IMS is also a potential issue especially if it has not been changed.
If you can convince the dealer to change it for you, it may be worthwhile. Otherwise I would just pass and wait for a 2006.
Yves
The launch edition I was looking at last year (mind you , a year ago) was at $41K. The dealer refused to drop the price to 39K and I am glad he did, because I was much luckier later on finding a 2006 4S instead of a 2005 2S for just a few thousands above the price of the 2S (the 4S had only 36K miles).
Your situation reminds me so much of myself a year ago. I would not rush, take my time and not jump on the first car that shows up. These Launch 2005 cars have usually seen a lot of abuses as they were leased to Porsche executives or other people who really don't care much for their Porsche. The IMS is also a potential issue especially if it has not been changed.
If you can convince the dealer to change it for you, it may be worthwhile. Otherwise I would just pass and wait for a 2006.
Yves
I have a '05 car equipped with PCCBs however it is not a launch car and happens to have the newer style IMS bearing. Truth be told I would prefer to have the earlier bearing as it is serviceable where the newer '06+ bearing is not without doing a complete engine tear down. Id have no problem popping for $1300 every three years or so to help insure there isn't a failure. Especially since ive seen som MY 2006 failures more recently. My PCCBs have been marvelous and I love reading posts where non composite brake owners are whining about cleaning brake dust.
The only real way to avoid the IMS issue is to get a 2009 or newer car.
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Ok, Ok, obviously we touched some sensitive chord there.
PCCB are wonderful brakes and I agree that the absence of dust makes it very worthwhile. However, the prospect of shelling $15K to replace the rotors in case of mishap scares me.
I know they will probably never need replacing and that is great. But just think about how easy it is to make a chip in the rotors, while you car is being maintained or tires changed by careless shops. Also, the idea of spending 600-700 hundreds dollars to change the pads does not resonate with me.
As far as features, the TPMS and sometimes the PCM are what differ between 2005 and 2006.
I am simply basing my comments on my own experience as I had an independent shop expertise that 2005 C2S car. The result was to rather stay away from it. Hopefully your experience will be better and your enjoyment greater.
Yves
PCCB are wonderful brakes and I agree that the absence of dust makes it very worthwhile. However, the prospect of shelling $15K to replace the rotors in case of mishap scares me.
I know they will probably never need replacing and that is great. But just think about how easy it is to make a chip in the rotors, while you car is being maintained or tires changed by careless shops. Also, the idea of spending 600-700 hundreds dollars to change the pads does not resonate with me.
As far as features, the TPMS and sometimes the PCM are what differ between 2005 and 2006.
I am simply basing my comments on my own experience as I had an independent shop expertise that 2005 C2S car. The result was to rather stay away from it. Hopefully your experience will be better and your enjoyment greater.
Yves
