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Originally posted by 2thfixr
That defeats the purpose of this whole discussion. At max boost and peak torque, of course the TT will pull the 997S, how could it not? I think though, the point is to do a 1/4 mile from a standstill with drivers of roughly the same weight. Don't stuff a 300lb man into the TT and then put some little guy in the S. Even a 100-150lb discrepancy will make a big difference as evidenced from the coupe vs cab numbers. Once you do things like rolling starts or 2nd gear @ 40, you are then favoring one car over the other.
That defeats the purpose of this whole discussion. At max boost and peak torque, of course the TT will pull the 997S, how could it not? I think though, the point is to do a 1/4 mile from a standstill with drivers of roughly the same weight. Don't stuff a 300lb man into the TT and then put some little guy in the S. Even a 100-150lb discrepancy will make a big difference as evidenced from the coupe vs cab numbers. Once you do things like rolling starts or 2nd gear @ 40, you are then favoring one car over the other.
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Originally posted by 2thfixr
That defeats the purpose of this whole discussion. At max boost and peak torque, of course the TT will pull the 997S, how could it not?
That defeats the purpose of this whole discussion. At max boost and peak torque, of course the TT will pull the 997S, how could it not?
The Turbo is making no boost at a steady state 40 mph in 2nd gear, just like it isn't making any boost at a steady 5-10 mph in 1st gear. The problem with a 1st gear rolling start in a Turbo is that 1st gear is too short to build maximum boost - you're just not in it long enough. The 997S has a better overall ratio in 1st versus the Turbo, so the 5-10 mph rolling start is the best start for the 997S, and the worse start for the Turbo.
Originally posted by 2thfixr
I think though, the point is to do a 1/4 mile from a standstill... Once you do things like rolling starts or 2nd gear @ 40, you are then favoring one car over the other.
I think though, the point is to do a 1/4 mile from a standstill... Once you do things like rolling starts or 2nd gear @ 40, you are then favoring one car over the other.
Any race from a standstill incorporates a HUGE variable...the driver - because of the launch.
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Originally posted by 2thfixr
Road and Track posted 12.3 @114.8 1/4 mile which is supposedly faster than a GT3 and a TT.
Road and Track posted 12.3 @114.8 1/4 mile which is supposedly faster than a GT3 and a TT.
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Originally posted by 2thfixr
Road and Track posted 12.3 @114.8 1/4 mile which is supposedly faster than a GT3 and a TT.
Road and Track posted 12.3 @114.8 1/4 mile which is supposedly faster than a GT3 and a TT.
Oh and who cares which ones faster. I would still take a TT or GT3 over a "carrera". Oh I mean carrera "s".
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Originally posted by Nico
If I recall correctly....C & D did the GT3 12.3 @ 118
Oh and who cares which ones faster. I would still take a TT or GT3 over a "carrera". Oh I mean carrera "s".
If I recall correctly....C & D did the GT3 12.3 @ 118
Oh and who cares which ones faster. I would still take a TT or GT3 over a "carrera". Oh I mean carrera "s".
You are looking down at the carrera or carrera S because it doesn't say turbo on it or GT3? Wow, the carrera S with x51 and pccb's will cost more than a GT3 and not have the old body style or old interior and perform right there with it.
So you don't care which one is faster or how it looks but you care what it says on the back? Sounds like a good way to pick a car.
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Originally posted by 6088TTS
you should never race a AWD car with a RWD car with launching... that is simply just not fair... if you want to do it that way than any moded 400whp STi or EVO will take your TTs and ENZOs for a spin to the 60mph or even 100mph mark... won't that be a fun race... but back to the point... i am going to try a 0mph rolling start with my friend... WITHOUT LAUNCHING!!! all the way to top speed hopefully...
you should never race a AWD car with a RWD car with launching... that is simply just not fair... if you want to do it that way than any moded 400whp STi or EVO will take your TTs and ENZOs for a spin to the 60mph or even 100mph mark... won't that be a fun race... but back to the point... i am going to try a 0mph rolling start with my friend... WITHOUT LAUNCHING!!! all the way to top speed hopefully...
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Originally posted by Dock (Atlanta)
The Turbo is making no boost at a steady state 40 mph in 2nd gear, just like it isn't making any boost at a steady 5-10 mph in 1st gear. The problem with a 1st gear rolling start in a Turbo is that 1st gear is too short to build maximum boost - you're just not in it long enough. The 997S has a better overall ratio in 1st versus the Turbo, so the 5-10 mph rolling start is the best start for the 997S, and the worse start for the Turbo.
Like doing a 1/4 mile run doesn't favor one driver over the other??
Any race from a standstill incorporates a HUGE variable...the driver - because of the launch.
The Turbo is making no boost at a steady state 40 mph in 2nd gear, just like it isn't making any boost at a steady 5-10 mph in 1st gear. The problem with a 1st gear rolling start in a Turbo is that 1st gear is too short to build maximum boost - you're just not in it long enough. The 997S has a better overall ratio in 1st versus the Turbo, so the 5-10 mph rolling start is the best start for the 997S, and the worse start for the Turbo.
Like doing a 1/4 mile run doesn't favor one driver over the other??
Any race from a standstill incorporates a HUGE variable...the driver - because of the launch.
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Here is a quote from the thread starter, joecmess, that says it all. It is copied and pasted from another thread.
That is roughly what my seat of the pants feel is telling me and looking at HP and torque numbers, there is no way that the 997S can pull a Turbo.
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So I was tooling around in my 997S and went past a local Porsche dealer. First, they had a 1997 911 Turbo black with tan interior for $88,500. It was beautiful, not a mark on it. Then, they have a 03 turbo with 7750 miles for 96K. They'll give me $62K for my 997S. I made the mistake of test driving the turbo, and I am addicted. The acceleration is unreal. It just pushes you back in the seat and keeps you there, and gear changes do not matter. It just pins you. However, I did think the overall tightness of the car was not as good as the 997. Also, the shifter and clutch in the 997S is shorter and feels more solid. I actually missed shifted second to third because I thought I felt it engage third, but I did not push far enough on the lever, whereas the 997S would have clicked. The petal felt much lighter than the S too. I am completely torn. I love the look of the 997 over the 996, both interior and exterior. I prefer the 997 gearbox and suspension. But the turbo just wins on pure acceleration. I have always dreamed of a Turbo, but it was always out of reach. Now, $96K for an 03 with 7750 miles is doable. There was not a nick on the car, and the inside was immaculate. I really would love to wait for the 997 Turbo, but the dealer told me they will start at $145,000 - which is out of my league. If this is true, a new one is not possible. What would you guys do in this situation?
So I was tooling around in my 997S and went past a local Porsche dealer. First, they had a 1997 911 Turbo black with tan interior for $88,500. It was beautiful, not a mark on it. Then, they have a 03 turbo with 7750 miles for 96K. They'll give me $62K for my 997S. I made the mistake of test driving the turbo, and I am addicted. The acceleration is unreal. It just pushes you back in the seat and keeps you there, and gear changes do not matter. It just pins you. However, I did think the overall tightness of the car was not as good as the 997. Also, the shifter and clutch in the 997S is shorter and feels more solid. I actually missed shifted second to third because I thought I felt it engage third, but I did not push far enough on the lever, whereas the 997S would have clicked. The petal felt much lighter than the S too. I am completely torn. I love the look of the 997 over the 996, both interior and exterior. I prefer the 997 gearbox and suspension. But the turbo just wins on pure acceleration. I have always dreamed of a Turbo, but it was always out of reach. Now, $96K for an 03 with 7750 miles is doable. There was not a nick on the car, and the inside was immaculate. I really would love to wait for the 997 Turbo, but the dealer told me they will start at $145,000 - which is out of my league. If this is true, a new one is not possible. What would you guys do in this situation?
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Buddy G is right. In any case, my point was that the times in most of the mags could be accurate if I, who was a first timer, pulled 12.9. My friends who are hardcore draggers, who run 11 sec cars that make over 500 hp to the wheel, were very impressed and said that my car is good for low 12s with some practice.
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Originally posted by 2thfixr
Here is a quote from the thread starter, joecmess, that says it all. It is copied and pasted from another thread.
That is roughly what my seat of the pants feel is telling me and looking at HP and torque numbers, there is no way that the 997S can pull a Turbo.
Here is a quote from the thread starter, joecmess, that says it all. It is copied and pasted from another thread.
That is roughly what my seat of the pants feel is telling me and looking at HP and torque numbers, there is no way that the 997S can pull a Turbo.
Seat of the pants is not an accurate way to measure which car is faster. The power delivery of the turbo is what makes it seem faster, as you have that initial surge of power whereas the 997 S has a smooth buildup in revs.
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Good point by sticky, you can probably put dyno charts side by side to prove this. Don't foget the additional weight by the Turbo for the AWD. I think the 997s is right Up there with the turbo.
Anyways the 997 turbo will noticeable quicker, I just hope they don't mess up on the looks.
Anyways the 997 turbo will noticeable quicker, I just hope they don't mess up on the looks.
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Originally posted by joecmess
One mor e thing - Nico - we are all fans here and I work hard to pay for my "Carrera S" (as much as I do have TT and GT3 envy
One mor e thing - Nico - we are all fans here and I work hard to pay for my "Carrera S" (as much as I do have TT and GT3 envy
