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Old Aug 13, 2015 | 04:52 PM
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not to dished any1 here...but.

I want my Turbo P car to be manufactured & engineered by Porsche in Germany.

Yes, i can have a turbo or a supercharger added to my C2S for much less...but...why...and that is just me.

I am over the hill, the 997.2 Turbo S is my dream car, and will get it before my heart can't stand the adrenaline.

If it didn't leave Germany w/o 2 turbos...nah...no sense adding one to a non-turbo P car...in my humble opinion.
 

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Originally Posted by simoncpw
The "$10-15k" after market options.... Does that include additional cooling, braking that it may require?
Braking? Is there something wrong with 911's brakes? Last I checked, I liked them, slowing from high speeds... Simply because the high speeds are attained sooner, doesn't mean the brakes work any less once applied.

What's next - chassis rigidity to make sure the extra 100HP/TQ doesn't twist the frame and cause bending?

Add a few HP/TQ, make sure it is tuned properly, go faster than most, enjoy the !whoosh!, call it a day.
 
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"I agree with most of what you've said here. I think people should do whatever makes them happy with their own vehicle. When I still had my 996 C4S, I did lots of mods (I considered a supercharger, but I never pulled the trigger on that). I've approached things a bit differently with my 997 turbo cabriolet. I considered an exhaust and some other mods, but ultimately I decided that I wanted to mod it with OE parts or other "invisible" mods (SmartTop, Mobridge, etc.). I realize that OE mods are almost entirely cosmetic, but the turbo already has essentially everything else that I want. I don't really consider myself a true purist or a snob, I simply appreciate the car the way it was built. I prefer to "make it my own" by purchasing a unsual color and then adding things like solid red tail lights, more leather interior bits, etc.",,,,,i just copy/pasted this part of other post,so i guess i should say this is a quote...


exactly my sentiments here...i am lucky enough to have found an X51 car, and it could be faster, i.e. an s/c or turbo, but even at 381ps the car is pretty much fast enough for my level of ability, so... i am happy ...see how long that lasts...
 

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Old Aug 14, 2015 | 05:11 AM
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I will be briefer this time. I can see everyone's point and we are all in different places and positions in life. For those of you who think if it is not from the factory, then why bother, well that's fine. For me at least I have always thought as nice as any car is from the factory, it could always be better (at least better for me) and over the last 40 some odd years I have mostly proven myself correct. My ex wife once said I am like a kid with too big an allowance (probably the only thing she ever said that made any sense)and for the most part I probably am. After all only a lunatic would start taking apart cars (with no thought as to why) that cost as much as the ones I have had. There is no right or wrong way to go, only your own. So do what feels right to you and enjoy!
 
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Originally Posted by jaspergtr
Braking? Is there something wrong with 911's brakes? Last I checked, I liked them, slowing from high speeds... Simply because the high speeds are attained sooner, doesn't mean the brakes work any less once applied.

What's next - chassis rigidity to make sure the extra 100HP/TQ doesn't twist the frame and cause bending?

Add a few HP/TQ, make sure it is tuned properly, go faster than most, enjoy the !whoosh!, call it a day.
I don't think he intended to criticize the standard brakes in the 911, I think he was just pointing to the fact that the factory turbo cars are equipped with larger brakes and the third radiator, things which are not standard features on the base 911.
 
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Originally Posted by Dennis C
I don't think he intended to criticize the standard brakes in the 911, I think he was just pointing to the fact that the factory turbo cars are equipped with larger brakes and the third radiator, things which are not standard features on the base 911.
That's right. Not criticising at all!

I'm very happy with the stock brakes on my stock S. Just it would seem logical to me to upgrade braking power and cooling system to complement the increased power, at least from safety perspective anyway.

I'm all for do whatever you want with your car that makes you enjoy the car the most. Because that what I do too!
 
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Forgot mention about the Turbo body, the technologies, and last but not least the badge...can't have those on a regular 911 or S.
 
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Originally Posted by Dennis C
I don't think he intended to criticize the standard brakes in the 911, I think he was just pointing to the fact that the factory turbo cars are equipped with larger brakes and the third radiator, things which are not standard features on the base 911.
My 11 c2s came stock with a 3rd radiator and the turbo brakes. Im not sure when they started this but the later carreras have these upgrades
 
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Hey tphan,

Didnt you have a bad *** 7tt with black hre's? Dont tell me you got rid of it...
 
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Originally Posted by simoncpw
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I'm very happy with the stock brakes on my stock S. Just it would seem logical to me to upgrade braking power ... to complement the increased power, at least from safety perspective anyway.
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Roger. I'd speculate (let's take brakes as an example), that the brakes could stop the car sufficiently from sayyyy 100-0 rather quickly. Track style brakes on a 911 can do this from 150-50 (normal cornering), or even faster... The turbo/sc would simply allow these speeds to be achieved more quickly, but not necessarily a higher top speed *turbo would not affect the car's ability to go from 100-0mph) - so the brakes would still be operating in their normal range.

Unless you're drag racing, in which case the brakes aren't really being warmed to point of usefulness anyway (they start and end practically cold).

Many decades ago, I'd suggest this practice was common because not every car had disc brakes, nor does every car have the factory braking ability of the 911. Where I'd look to change/improve brakes, is anywhere the car was being tracked (turbo wouldn't affect this decision at all), or if the weight was being substantially increased (turbo kits don't add the weight of even half of a human being (passenger).

That's all. Cooling depends on a few other things (what exists, what type of f/i, how much boost, purpose, application).
 
Old Aug 16, 2015 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Bara
My 11 c2s came stock with a 3rd radiator and the turbo brakes. Im not sure when they started this but the later carreras have these upgrades
S models have shared brakes and some suspension components with turbos for quite a while. My 996 C4S had turbo brakes and suspension. The center radiator is a standard feature on Tiptronic cars and I believe it is on PDK cars also. I don't know if all the 997 S models had the center radiator as a standard feature; perhaps someone with knowledge of that can comment.
 
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Hey tphan,

Didnt you have a bad *** 7tt with black hre's? Dont tell me you got rid of it...
Wasn't me, had a twin turbo car but wasn't a Porsche.
 
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I didn't know there is Turbo brakes, are they differ than the Red and Yellow brakes, the OEM stuff not the repainted caliber type
 
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I didn't know there is Turbo brakes, are they differ than the Red and Yellow brakes, the OEM stuff not the repainted caliber type
Turbo calipers are larger. My 06 c2s didn't have them. My 7gt3 calipers are larger still than the turbos. Im speaking of the red steel brakes. Never had the yellows.
 
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Originally Posted by JCD911S
Aftermarket tuning is for people that aren't purists or snobs that want everything to be OEM and all stock. For a lot of people, the fun in owning their car is being able to set it apart from the rest while enjoying the time spent and bloody knuckles tinkering and modifying.

It's not just about getting the most HP, because no matter what you do, there's always going to be someone out there faster than you. It's the same reason why people can spend $50k modifying a $25k import. Their passion is in customizing. Sure, they could've bought a much nicer factory built car for that money, but where's the fun in that?

If I had the money to start off with a factory turbo model, I'd still end up modifying it with a bigger aftermarket turbo, because modifying is where the fun is for me. Plus, when I drive my 911 on the street, I don't want my car to be just another 911, it needs to be something distinctly mine. Whether it's custom forced induction, or something as simple as badging (another thing people like to nitpick at).
Can't blame the nitpickers though, some members love to ask the forum to help define what style pleases everyone else but themselves.
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I am of the same opinion. It is something I like to do for my self. If I had a turbo, I'd end up modifying it as well. Its just my nature. Never had a car that i didnt do something to make it a tad my own.
And then you'd have people asking same thing, why would you want to modify a turbo it's so fast to begin with.....
 


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