When you can get a 911tt factory built and engineered car so inexpensively these days.

Its just rediculoid

 

Seriously ??


991 S cost $100k...
991 turbo costs $150k..
aftermarket turbo/SC costs $10-15k installed..


u do the math


I like OEM.. but I can certainly see why people would go aftermarket

 

Used 997TT are still in the 70's unless you get one with high mileage, I've seen 997S in the high 30's, plus 10K turbo kit, 3K installation, and you have a car that is much cheaper and faster and a 997TT. TPC turbos has been tested on the track over and over, some with 100K miles with no issues. My guess is that you are not very good at math.

 

The "$10-15k" after market options.... Does that include additional cooling, braking that it may require?

 

My car has had the VF SC kit (among other things) for about 8 years, I had my own reasons for going that route, but it might not be for everyone.

 

MrPrice - 8 years is a lot of time to develop an opinion, what has been your experience?

 

991 S is closer to $125k
991 TT is closer to $175k
991 TTS is $190k+
At least here in sunny South FL.

The 2010-2013 TTs I've looked at were $90-$110k, depending on mileage and year, obviously.

A clean, low mileage 997/2 C2S is $45-$50k.

Add $15k for a TPC kit, you can have a 500+h.p. car for $60-$65k.

For me to get the TT I would want is around $100k.

Porsche OEM parts may not be the "best" out there, PSE for example. Porsche Nav is a joke.

Champion Motorsports does a steady business of replacing OEM turbos with larger, aftermarket turbos and non OEM exhausts. Don't think Porsche OEM is always the "best".


I too, am curious about Price's experience, if he wasn't quite so cryptic...

 

never said the best. Only said I prefer it over aftermarket. No longer into spending all my time modding, tuning, dealing with cel, and so on (yes I realize not all aftermarket trigger cel)
I just wanna get in my car and drive.
and ofcourse u cannot compare the power of aftermarket turbo with bigger turbo , IC, etc with oem


also the price I stated is the rounded base price.. thought it would make it easier to compare. lol


I think we all agree that there is huge marketplace for s/c and tt upgrades

 

Agreed. And I think I remember that Porsche claims the most profit from the TT.

 

you can get into a 997.1 tt for 65k and you get a lot more car than just a tt kit. I could have bought a tt for less than my 11 C2S if I had any interest in a turbo.


a 997tt will far better hold its resale over a moded Carrera.


imo Porsche engineers a better product than a guy with a laptop at an indy


nothing against anyone wanting to go aftermarket. cant see the logic though. even if you had to pay a little more, the tt is a lot more car as well

 

Aftermarket tuning is for people that aren't purists or snobs that want everything to be OEM and all stock. For a lot of people, the fun in owning their car is being able to set it apart from the rest while enjoying the time spent and bloody knuckles tinkering and modifying.

It's not just about getting the most HP, because no matter what you do, there's always going to be someone out there faster than you. It's the same reason why people can spend $50k modifying a $25k import. Their passion is in customizing. Sure, they could've bought a much nicer factory built car for that money, but where's the fun in that?

If I had the money to start off with a factory turbo model, I'd still end up modifying it with a bigger aftermarket turbo, because modifying is where the fun is for me. Plus, when I drive my 911 on the street, I don't want my car to be just another 911, it needs to be something distinctly mine. Whether it's custom forced induction, or something as simple as badging (another thing people like to nitpick at).

Can't blame the nitpickers though, some members love to ask the forum to help define what style pleases everyone else but themselves.

 

Alright I will try and give you a better idea of my experiences with tuning Porsche's (and other cars if you ask). The car in my photo is the car that has the SC kit in it. it was my 39th (and supposed to be my last until a deal on a Panamera came up that was too good to pass up, it is the car in AWE's video). I had turned 966tt's in RWD and probably done about everything you could do to these cars over the years, but no matter what I did to the NA 6, it would only get to a certain point and in my opinion it was a lot of money for not much increase in performance. Keep in mind that I speaking in terms that go back almost 40 years and even 15 years ago there were not the options (nor anywhere near the amount of tuners there are now) at least in the U.S. that you have today. I had gone through all the available bolt on with my 2000 996 cab (ended up tracing it for one of the two 996tt, both made into RWD) and when it came time for what was supposed be my last Porsche I wanted something that would be a car that would what I always wanted a Porsche to be. So 24hrs after buying it (2006 997S) I took it to my shop and we started to take it apart (there goes the warranty it have never been in a Porsche service center, and never will be). My goal was lighter, faster, loud, scary (disable nannys), and most of all fun for me. To hell with resale value. It had to feel good so it needed a small diameter really think steering wheel a great shifter feel, and I pulled those terrible stock seats, no need to add weight for heating elements. I found VF (I think someone on some forum mentioned them) and I called them. I think the guys name was Alex or Eric (sorry old age and Aspergers messes with my memory) and we spoke quite a bit. At that time they had no more than a handful of cars running the system. I said what the heck lets go for it. It took three days to install it (was being very careful) and the results were well worth it. Finally and aftermarket mod that you could really feel. I used a combination of AWE and Fabspeed (I live near them both and remember when they first started out) for the exhaust system and in the end I had a car that I had spent more money modifying (considering it was almost worthless in the minds of anyone but me) than I had to purchase it. Over the years it has shared garage space with numerous Ferrari's Maserati's and even a Gallardo (which I also made RWD), and after 9 1/2 years of ownership it has 16K miles. It comes out only when I am driving alone and the weather makes it possible to drive. Like my little modified Abarth it is not a family favorite. If you want to do something to your car that when you put your foot (and want to be pushed back in your seat) down you feel power, well then I'd say go for it. I have been around this car thing a long time (and remember when putting aftermarket wheels on a Ferrari was considered a sin) and I am at the been there done that stage in my life when it comes to that. I began writing novels at the beginning of 2001 (my third came out last month). It was a way to keep my mind under control and something I needed to (I never made it past the 8th grade was not diagnosed with Aspergers until I was 57) do to prove that I could. My name is not Mr. Price (he works at one of my companies) and if you look up the novel Mr. Breeze you can find out all about me (not that you would really want to), should you get curious. I have been very lucky to have been able to own some truly amazing machines in my time, but for some reason I always feel most comfortable behind the wheel of a 911 (though a gearshift 430 coupe it pretty sweet as well), and hopefully I always will.

 

Cliffs Notes: He liked it.

 

For $15K, it includes all the cooling you need, mine was installed Oct 2009, no CEL and no cooling issues. Actually no issues at all except for some premature tie rods that needed to be replaced, tires and mpg takes a beating though.

Well said, it's about individuality, it's what makes us all different. I do not want to look like the person next to me. I feel proud that mine is different. I said, I'm not going to modify my Boxster, but here I go again, AWE exhaust, GTS LED lights, GTS rear diffuser, and a few other things. Just like to be different.

You can get a 997TT for 55K in a couple of years, what is your point. Not everyone brought used, some got theirs for a while a need or want more hp. It's too much hassle to try to sell it or trade it in, take a beating, try to find a 997TT with the options and color you like when you already have one that you really like. You can easily bolt on 10K worth of mods and get no hp gain like one of the member here on 6speedonline.

 

I agree with most of what you've said here. I think people should do whatever makes them happy with their own vehicle. When I still had my 996 C4S, I did lots of mods (I considered a supercharger, but I never pulled the trigger on that). I've approached things a bit differently with my 997 turbo cabriolet. I considered an exhaust and some other mods, but ultimately I decided that I wanted to mod it with OE parts or other "invisible" mods (SmartTop, Mobridge, etc.). I realize that OE mods are almost entirely cosmetic, but the turbo already has essentially everything else that I want. I don't really consider myself a true purist or a snob, I simply appreciate the car the way it was built. I prefer to "make it my own" by purchasing a unsual color and then adding things like solid red tail lights, more leather interior bits, etc.

I'll be truly shocked if I ever see another 997 turbo cabriolet that looks like mine in person.