First hand test drive: 997S / AM Vantage / M3CS
Originally Posted by Dave07997S
Actually more like 4.1 for the 997S, as there are quite a few mags that got this time for the 997S. Car and Driver got 4.1 as did Road and Track for the 997S4 and Motortrend got a 4.2. Also Car and Driver got a 4.3 for a plain Carrera. That 3.9 that RT got they claim was because the engine was broken in, they had it dyno'd and it dyno'd pretty much what other 997S's dyno'd at.
For the M3 there were several 4.6-4.7 times by Road and Track and Motortrend. The M3CSL will even better that but it was hobbled by the SMG.
Don't really care what the Aston did. It is down right gorgeous but IMHO not a serious performance car.
Dave
For the M3 there were several 4.6-4.7 times by Road and Track and Motortrend. The M3CSL will even better that but it was hobbled by the SMG.
Don't really care what the Aston did. It is down right gorgeous but IMHO not a serious performance car.
Dave
Realistically, with minimal slipping, you might get 4.5-4.7.
Originally Posted by bonn997
so the 997S can really go from 0-60mph in 4.1 sec? how about the base? heard the base can go from 0-60 in just 4.4 sec.
just wanna say.. these figures are simply amazing..
just wanna say.. these figures are simply amazing..
Realistically,4.5 - 4.7,seems plausable...
Some members here have stock "mutant" 997s' that can beat modified 997s' (with GIAC, exhaust, air filter) from a dig and a roll. I attribute the 3.9 sec 0-60mph to a "mutant" Carrera S, since some of these cars from the factory have amazing performance specs while others do not.
Thanks for the review- it seems very fair.
However, to me, a 911 is a 911 is a 911.
Of the the 3 cars reviewed, there is only one that runs through the hearts and minds of automotive enthusiasts the world over. And while reviews are all about "A" vs. "B", and "B" vs. "C", what I see is that the dream that keeps car lovers awake at night is not the M3, or the Aston Martin, it's the 911. It simply captures minds, hearts, and dreams like none other.
That holds true for any era of any of these 3 marques.
It's a piece of history born out through it's racing heritage which is alive today in all it's glory.
Nothing captures the imagination quite like a 911. Ask any car-loving kid on the corner which he'd rather have, and the 911 wins out.
Of course, a review is supposed to forget these emotional things. But dream, drive, or own a 911 and try to forget that passion: I dare you.
CATTMAN
However, to me, a 911 is a 911 is a 911.
Of the the 3 cars reviewed, there is only one that runs through the hearts and minds of automotive enthusiasts the world over. And while reviews are all about "A" vs. "B", and "B" vs. "C", what I see is that the dream that keeps car lovers awake at night is not the M3, or the Aston Martin, it's the 911. It simply captures minds, hearts, and dreams like none other.
That holds true for any era of any of these 3 marques.
It's a piece of history born out through it's racing heritage which is alive today in all it's glory.
Nothing captures the imagination quite like a 911. Ask any car-loving kid on the corner which he'd rather have, and the 911 wins out.
Of course, a review is supposed to forget these emotional things. But dream, drive, or own a 911 and try to forget that passion: I dare you.
CATTMAN
Originally Posted by Cattman
Thanks for the review- it seems very fair.
However, to me, a 911 is a 911 is a 911.
Of the the 3 cars reviewed, there is only one that runs through the hearts and minds of automotive enthusiasts the world over. And while reviews are all about "A" vs. "B", and "B" vs. "C", what I see is that the dream that keeps car lovers awake at night is not the M3, or the Aston Martin, it's the 911. It simply captures minds, hearts, and dreams like none other.
That holds true for any era of any of these 3 marques.
It's a piece of history born out through it's racing heritage which is alive today in all it's glory.
Nothing captures the imagination quite like a 911. Ask any car-loving kid on the corner which he'd rather have, and the 911 wins out.
Of course, a review is supposed to forget these emotional things. But dream, drive, or own a 911 and try to forget that passion: I dare you.
CATTMAN
However, to me, a 911 is a 911 is a 911.
Of the the 3 cars reviewed, there is only one that runs through the hearts and minds of automotive enthusiasts the world over. And while reviews are all about "A" vs. "B", and "B" vs. "C", what I see is that the dream that keeps car lovers awake at night is not the M3, or the Aston Martin, it's the 911. It simply captures minds, hearts, and dreams like none other.
That holds true for any era of any of these 3 marques.
It's a piece of history born out through it's racing heritage which is alive today in all it's glory.
Nothing captures the imagination quite like a 911. Ask any car-loving kid on the corner which he'd rather have, and the 911 wins out.
Of course, a review is supposed to forget these emotional things. But dream, drive, or own a 911 and try to forget that passion: I dare you.
CATTMAN
Not a poorly written review. However, I'll say this:
- The 911 is a connoisseur's sports car, and to those w/o a good depth of experience with sports cars, and those w/o at least some track education, you can be underwhelmed at first. I was at first but as you pile on miles you come to appreciate the car and the sheer depth of the chassis.
- The Vantage is downright beautiful. I was on the wait list for one, and when they finally arrived stateside and I got a chance to drive it against my 997S, there was no comparison. The Vantage was clumsy and had no *****. Everything about the 997S was more precise, more visceral. In comparing the two cars, I couldn't help to remember the old phrase 'all show and no go.'
- The latest iteration of the E46 M3 doesn't make up for its crappy steering feel and bloated weight, never mind the undersized single piston brakes that will have a melt down under hard charging. The E46 M3 has two standout features: a beast of a motor that has a very visceral feel throughout the rev band, and a kiler rear differential that allows you to get the power down out of tight corners. The E46, however, represents a step backwards from the E36 M3 in terms of feel, and cannot remotely compare to the 997S.
- The 911 is a connoisseur's sports car, and to those w/o a good depth of experience with sports cars, and those w/o at least some track education, you can be underwhelmed at first. I was at first but as you pile on miles you come to appreciate the car and the sheer depth of the chassis.
- The Vantage is downright beautiful. I was on the wait list for one, and when they finally arrived stateside and I got a chance to drive it against my 997S, there was no comparison. The Vantage was clumsy and had no *****. Everything about the 997S was more precise, more visceral. In comparing the two cars, I couldn't help to remember the old phrase 'all show and no go.'
- The latest iteration of the E46 M3 doesn't make up for its crappy steering feel and bloated weight, never mind the undersized single piston brakes that will have a melt down under hard charging. The E46 M3 has two standout features: a beast of a motor that has a very visceral feel throughout the rev band, and a kiler rear differential that allows you to get the power down out of tight corners. The E46, however, represents a step backwards from the E36 M3 in terms of feel, and cannot remotely compare to the 997S.
Get your stop watch out or if you have sport chrono us that and do some timed 0-60 runs. You will then see what a 997S in the real workd on the street really does...it's not 4.1 or 4.8 sec!
Originally Posted by mdrums
Get your stop watch out or if you have sport chrono us that and do some timed 0-60 runs. You will then see what a 997S in the real workd on the street really does...it's not 4.1 or 4.8 sec!
Thanks.
Last edited by Cattman; Jul 9, 2007 at 11:55 AM.
Kid's Dreams
Originally Posted by Cattman
Nothing captures the imagination quite like a 911. Ask any car-loving kid on the corner which he'd rather have, and the 911 wins out.
CATTMAN
CATTMAN
I have been driving the C4S Cabriolet for two months now. I am constantly amazed by the level of attention that others pay the car, and its driver. Of course, this is either a benefit or a hazard, depending on the circumstance.
"If they are a benefit, it's not my problem." --Deckard
0-60
My best 0-60 in my 997S is around 6 seconds. I hit it in second gear. I'm a fairly good driver with some schooling under my belt and i don't know where they get those numbers from either.
Originally Posted by xeron
My best 0-60 in my 997S is around 6 seconds. I hit it in second gear. I'm a fairly good driver with some schooling under my belt and i don't know where they get those numbers from either.
Originally Posted by Porschinator
Are all these numbers from 6 sp or Tip? Would be really good to get real world numbers. I am considering buying a 997S in a few months. I would say a 3K rev drop would be realistic at launch.
Dave




