buying "new" db9, need advice on pricing/choice
buying "new" db9, need advice on pricing/choice
Hi, new to the forums, although been lurking for the past couple weeks. I've learned so many new things so far, hoping to learn a few more.
I'm in the market for a new-ish db9, have found a few options, but not sure what might be the better choice.
First of all, I'm coming from a 2009 Porsche Targa 4. Excellent car, no complaints, and I'll definitely be keeping it. BUT... although it is an exciting car, I'm hoping to find an exhilarating car. Something less common on the streets, a little bit quicker, and maybe rwd so I can have a bit more fun (the Targa 4's 4wd system makes it extremely difficult to lose traction, and when you do, it very quickly sets you straight again). I'm also looking for something that is sufficiently reliable such that I can, with some high degree of certainty, assume that it will take me from point A to point B on a semi-daily basis without qualms.
Oh right, and something with 4 seats so in emergency situations, I can get transport a few passengers a short distance (or long, usually it's female asians that need the transporting, and they fit fine with room to spare in the back of the porsche, so as long as the db9 has as much space, that's plenty).
From what I've read so far, the db9 might fit the bill exactly.
So, all that being said (and please correct me if the db9 will not fulfill these needs for some reason), the leads I've found so far are:
2009 Aston Martin DB9 - USED - 900 miles, $160k - Story: Celebrity car trade in after a few months for a DBS, and not because there were any problems with the car itself.
2007 Aston Martin DB9 - USED - ~10,000 miles, ~$80-90k - I'm not as keen on this one since I really do like the ECU even though every person who's ever posted anything on youtube/television hates it, and coming from the 911, probably could use the extra 20 hp to ensure the car feels more lively.
2009 Aston Martin DB9 - NEW - $??? - A ton of dealerships have a ton of leftover 2009 Aston Martin DB9's on their lots. Not sure why they ordered so many during the biggest recession of the new generation, but most of these places still list these at the $200k MSRP. I'm hoping to get some guidance from you all as to how much off MSRP would be reasonable to ask for. I'm assuming there's been no changes in the 2010 model from the 2009 model, but please let me know if there is.
2010 Aston Martin DB9 - NEW - $??? - And the final option is to just custom order a brand new one. Pros of this is that I'm looking for a Tungsten Silver/Chancellor Red ext/int, but almost all db9's I've seen in stock are Tungsten Silver/some sort of black. I'm not a fan of black interiors since I think it masks the detailing. Cons of this is that I'm not sure if I can get something, if anything off MSRP. Does anybody know if it's reasonable to bargain down from the $200k sticker, and if so, by how much?
Thanks in advance for your advice.
I'm in the market for a new-ish db9, have found a few options, but not sure what might be the better choice.
First of all, I'm coming from a 2009 Porsche Targa 4. Excellent car, no complaints, and I'll definitely be keeping it. BUT... although it is an exciting car, I'm hoping to find an exhilarating car. Something less common on the streets, a little bit quicker, and maybe rwd so I can have a bit more fun (the Targa 4's 4wd system makes it extremely difficult to lose traction, and when you do, it very quickly sets you straight again). I'm also looking for something that is sufficiently reliable such that I can, with some high degree of certainty, assume that it will take me from point A to point B on a semi-daily basis without qualms.
Oh right, and something with 4 seats so in emergency situations, I can get transport a few passengers a short distance (or long, usually it's female asians that need the transporting, and they fit fine with room to spare in the back of the porsche, so as long as the db9 has as much space, that's plenty).
From what I've read so far, the db9 might fit the bill exactly.
So, all that being said (and please correct me if the db9 will not fulfill these needs for some reason), the leads I've found so far are:
2009 Aston Martin DB9 - USED - 900 miles, $160k - Story: Celebrity car trade in after a few months for a DBS, and not because there were any problems with the car itself.
2007 Aston Martin DB9 - USED - ~10,000 miles, ~$80-90k - I'm not as keen on this one since I really do like the ECU even though every person who's ever posted anything on youtube/television hates it, and coming from the 911, probably could use the extra 20 hp to ensure the car feels more lively.
2009 Aston Martin DB9 - NEW - $??? - A ton of dealerships have a ton of leftover 2009 Aston Martin DB9's on their lots. Not sure why they ordered so many during the biggest recession of the new generation, but most of these places still list these at the $200k MSRP. I'm hoping to get some guidance from you all as to how much off MSRP would be reasonable to ask for. I'm assuming there's been no changes in the 2010 model from the 2009 model, but please let me know if there is.
2010 Aston Martin DB9 - NEW - $??? - And the final option is to just custom order a brand new one. Pros of this is that I'm looking for a Tungsten Silver/Chancellor Red ext/int, but almost all db9's I've seen in stock are Tungsten Silver/some sort of black. I'm not a fan of black interiors since I think it masks the detailing. Cons of this is that I'm not sure if I can get something, if anything off MSRP. Does anybody know if it's reasonable to bargain down from the $200k sticker, and if so, by how much?
Thanks in advance for your advice.
First of all, I'm coming from a 2009 Porsche Targa 4. Excellent car, no complaints, and I'll definitely be keeping it. BUT... although it is an exciting car, I'm hoping to find an exhilarating car. Something less common on the streets, a little bit quicker, and maybe rwd so I can have a bit more fun (the Targa 4's 4wd system makes it extremely difficult to lose traction, and when you do, it very quickly sets you straight again). I'm also looking for something that is sufficiently reliable such that I can, with some high degree of certainty, assume that it will take me from point A to point B on a semi-daily basis without qualms.
The DB9 will not be as tossable as the Porsche due to size, engine location and it not being 100% sports car. It's VERY easy to lose traction as the RWD and tons of torque make for a lot of tail wagging if you want. Reliability will be OK but probably highly variable from car to car.
Oh right, and something with 4 seats so in emergency situations, I can get transport a few passengers a short distance (or long, usually it's female asians that need the transporting, and they fit fine with room to spare in the back of the porsche, so as long as the db9 has as much space, that's plenty).
I'm 6 feet tall and have to alter my regular driving position to have my 8-10 year old sized kids behind me. I didn't have to do that in the 911 Turbo. Asian women are small but even they will complain.
From what I've read so far, the db9 might fit the bill exactly.
So, all that being said (and please correct me if the db9 will not fulfill these needs for some reason), the leads I've found so far are:
2009 Aston Martin DB9 - USED - 900 miles, $160k - Story: Celebrity car trade in after a few months for a DBS, and not because there were any problems with the car itself.
Too much $ for a "used" car regardless of miles or celebrity ownership.
2007 Aston Martin DB9 - USED - ~10,000 miles, ~$80-90k - I'm not as keen on this one since I really do like the ECU even though every person who's ever posted anything on youtube/television hates it, and coming from the 911, probably could use the extra 20 hp to ensure the car feels more lively.
The "extra" 20 HP couldn't be more meaningless if it tried. I test-drove an automatic 2007 and it pulled like mad. 450 or 470 makes zero difference and I'd tell you to strongly consider the almost 50% discount you'd see on a well-kept used car. Do use some of that savings for the extended warranty if you end up with one of those.
2009 Aston Martin DB9 - NEW - $??? - A ton of dealerships have a ton of leftover 2009 Aston Martin DB9's on their lots. Not sure why they ordered so many during the biggest recession of the new generation, but most of these places still list these at the $200k MSRP. I'm hoping to get some guidance from you all as to how much off MSRP would be reasonable to ask for. I'm assuming there's been no changes in the 2010 model from the 2009 model, but please let me know if there is.
I'd expect you should be in the $25,000 off MSRP range shortly on new ones and if you see there are a number of them out there similar to how you'd like the car, even better.
2010 Aston Martin DB9 - NEW - $??? - And the final option is to just custom order a brand new one. Pros of this is that I'm looking for a Tungsten Silver/Chancellor Red ext/int, but almost all db9's I've seen in stock are Tungsten Silver/some sort of black. I'm not a fan of black interiors since I think it masks the detailing. Cons of this is that I'm not sure if I can get something, if anything off MSRP. Does anybody know if it's reasonable to bargain down from the $200k sticker, and if so, by how much?
If money is no object than go ahead and pull the trigger for an order. It's likely the only way to get what you want but be prepared to take a beating if you aren't keeping the car for years. Before you do this consider getting a used DBS which will be similar money or less and hold it's value much better. You also mention that all the cars you've seen are automatics and I will tell you that the transmission/paddles they put in the Rapide is great. If that exact transmission is used on the 2010's and you need/want an auto, then that alone might be worth it. I would also suggest you try the Rapide because it was great and offers 95% of the looks of the DB9 coupe unless you have been talking about Volante's.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
The DB9 will not be as tossable as the Porsche due to size, engine location and it not being 100% sports car. It's VERY easy to lose traction as the RWD and tons of torque make for a lot of tail wagging if you want. Reliability will be OK but probably highly variable from car to car.
Oh right, and something with 4 seats so in emergency situations, I can get transport a few passengers a short distance (or long, usually it's female asians that need the transporting, and they fit fine with room to spare in the back of the porsche, so as long as the db9 has as much space, that's plenty).
I'm 6 feet tall and have to alter my regular driving position to have my 8-10 year old sized kids behind me. I didn't have to do that in the 911 Turbo. Asian women are small but even they will complain.
From what I've read so far, the db9 might fit the bill exactly.
So, all that being said (and please correct me if the db9 will not fulfill these needs for some reason), the leads I've found so far are:
2009 Aston Martin DB9 - USED - 900 miles, $160k - Story: Celebrity car trade in after a few months for a DBS, and not because there were any problems with the car itself.
Too much $ for a "used" car regardless of miles or celebrity ownership.
2007 Aston Martin DB9 - USED - ~10,000 miles, ~$80-90k - I'm not as keen on this one since I really do like the ECU even though every person who's ever posted anything on youtube/television hates it, and coming from the 911, probably could use the extra 20 hp to ensure the car feels more lively.
The "extra" 20 HP couldn't be more meaningless if it tried. I test-drove an automatic 2007 and it pulled like mad. 450 or 470 makes zero difference and I'd tell you to strongly consider the almost 50% discount you'd see on a well-kept used car. Do use some of that savings for the extended warranty if you end up with one of those.
2009 Aston Martin DB9 - NEW - $??? - A ton of dealerships have a ton of leftover 2009 Aston Martin DB9's on their lots. Not sure why they ordered so many during the biggest recession of the new generation, but most of these places still list these at the $200k MSRP. I'm hoping to get some guidance from you all as to how much off MSRP would be reasonable to ask for. I'm assuming there's been no changes in the 2010 model from the 2009 model, but please let me know if there is.
I'd expect you should be in the $25,000 off MSRP range shortly on new ones and if you see there are a number of them out there similar to how you'd like the car, even better.
2010 Aston Martin DB9 - NEW - $??? - And the final option is to just custom order a brand new one. Pros of this is that I'm looking for a Tungsten Silver/Chancellor Red ext/int, but almost all db9's I've seen in stock are Tungsten Silver/some sort of black. I'm not a fan of black interiors since I think it masks the detailing. Cons of this is that I'm not sure if I can get something, if anything off MSRP. Does anybody know if it's reasonable to bargain down from the $200k sticker, and if so, by how much?
If money is no object than go ahead and pull the trigger for an order. It's likely the only way to get what you want but be prepared to take a beating if you aren't keeping the car for years. Before you do this consider getting a used DBS which will be similar money or less and hold it's value much better. You also mention that all the cars you've seen are automatics and I will tell you that the transmission/paddles they put in the Rapide is great. If that exact transmission is used on the 2010's and you need/want an auto, then that alone might be worth it. I would also suggest you try the Rapide because it was great and offers 95% of the looks of the DB9 coupe unless you have been talking about Volante's.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Last edited by Red Devil; Apr 20, 2010 at 05:04 AM. Reason: Because
The driving dynamics you described should be good. I'm definitely looking for something that's different from the Porsche.
In terms of the usability of the backseats, if they're smaller than what's found in porsches, I'll make sure to check out exactly how much room is back there when the driver's seat is adjusted to my height (I'm around 5' 6" so it still might work). I just realized that line about female asians in my earlier post sounds a bit strange. I'm asian, and have a lot of asian friends, it's not some weird fetish:P
On the first option, I'm definitely not adding any premium for "celebrity ownership," it was just part of the story the guy told me for why he had such a low mileage car sitting around. Wasn't sure whether that's a common line, or a legitimate reason. If anything I'd want to pay less for a car some celebrity probably skidded around for a few months before dumping it as a trade-in. Definitely good to know about the price though, do you have an idea of what I should be paying for an '09 with <1k miles? I might be able to just come back to the dealer with a number and see if he'll take the offer.
Noted about the extra 20 HP. I'm still thinking in "Porsche" terms where an extra 20 HP on ~340 HP can pack a noticeable punch (although even the Porsche "S" adds on something like 40 HP). I assumed that Aston wouldn't go to the trouble of changing the engine if it wasn't for some meaningful gain, but I guess it was just to make it seem more competitive on paper compared to the 4.7L AMV8.
Price noted on the 2009 DB9's. I never really liked the concept of money being "no object." Even if psychological, I'd prefer to pay true market value. I shudder at the thought of overpaying by an amount equal to some people's house downpayments in Texas.
That being said, it definitely sounds like I should take some extra time to test drive both a DB9, a Rapide, and potentially a DBS. It doesn't really fit the bill, however given what you've told me, the DB9 might not actually work out either, depending on the spacing. Never particularly liked the Rapide styling (albeit I like it more than the panamera), but then again I've never seen one in person. All of these are coupes, not the volante.
If anybody else has more comments to add, or more pricing numbers or tips, please do let me know.
Thanks again Red Devil. Probably saved me from missing a number of things I'll need to check out when I test drive this weekend.
Overall I think after reading your post, I'm leaning towards a 2007 DB9. Having trouble finding one with a well-kept interior though. I recall my dad had a Mercedes E-Class for 10 years, and at the end the seat leather and interior as a whole looked literally brand new, and he didn't do anything special to it. Not sure why these 3-year-old Aston Martins all have substantial creases in the driver's side seat leather, but the hunt is on.
Also, looking closer into the 2007 options, I just realized the $80-$90k range was mostly 2006 DB9's and that the 2007's were more like $100k. Not sure if those prices are what I should be looking for.
Also, looking closer into the 2007 options, I just realized the $80-$90k range was mostly 2006 DB9's and that the 2007's were more like $100k. Not sure if those prices are what I should be looking for.
Last edited by droppedclutch; Apr 20, 2010 at 05:53 AM.
The back seats of a DB9 are suitable oinly for babies or very young children at best. They really are there only for show. You might be able to squeeze 2 people on the passenger side if both passengers are very short, but behind the driver?, forget it.
You do realize that the DB9's performance is at best equal to the P?
I've noticed the leather wear on the older models. its especially acute in the smooth leather.
late last year, 09's were offered w/ $25k off msrp.
If you can manage a DBS, do it. Its simply exhilarating!
I've noticed the leather wear on the older models. its especially acute in the smooth leather.
late last year, 09's were offered w/ $25k off msrp.
If you can manage a DBS, do it. Its simply exhilarating!
Last edited by kosmo69; Apr 20, 2010 at 08:26 AM.
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You do realize that the DB9's performance is at best equal to the P?
I've noticed the leather wear on the older models. its especially acute in the smooth leather.
late last year, 09's were offered w/ $25k off msrp.
If you can manage a DBS, do it. Its simply exhilarating!
I've noticed the leather wear on the older models. its especially acute in the smooth leather.
late last year, 09's were offered w/ $25k off msrp.
If you can manage a DBS, do it. Its simply exhilarating!
Then again, I think if I wanted speed, I'd get a 2010 911 Turbo, however my driving ability is not up to par to fully make use of a car like that. For my own longevity, I think this time I'm going to go for the illusion of speed:P It will probably keep me out of trouble and save me a few speeding tickets (I wonder if I should factor that into the price:P).
No problem and just offering "my side". My 911 turbo was fast as hell, race suspension, etc. etc. but most of that was useless for my abilities and the roads/manner in which I drove. I liked the car and that was good enough. The DB9 feels plenty fast and the response is immediate vs. slight lag in the Turbo. i think when you see a Rapide in person you'll like it if you like the DB9 coupe. The DB9 coupe rear seats have to be a disappointment to anyone who sees them. Can they work in a pinch? Sure, but you won't make a habit of it. I think your test-drive and seeing things in person will reveal all you will need to know as if one of these cars is for you.
Got an e-mail blast on another local car: 2008 DB9 Volante with 4100 miles they are asking $126,500. I sent them an inquiry about the tranny, but 90% of DB9's are usually automatics.
PM me the details?
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