Wouldn't be that interested in wrapping.

How can we find out if one of these V12's has been a beaten up press car?

I think there are many people who are waiting for V12 Vantages to depreciate to a palpable level - whatever that is - and many of them I would imagine are current V8 Vantage owners.

Maybe because of that as well as rarity, V12 Values will hold up better over time!

 

Great thread and a very interesting read!

As a V12 owner I am of course hoping that these cars, in time, become collectables. So regardless of the economy, it COULD be a wise investment if you buy at the right time and are willing to wait. And before you flame me have a look at some examples below. I've been lucky enough to drive some great cars, but for me personally it's the best by far and it's certainly not sitting in my garage gathering dust and I certainly never bought the car as possible collectable, I bought it to enjoy it - which I do.

Anyway, just wondering if anyone has heard of the HAGI index of valuing cars as an investment. Here's a really good article from the UK that explains it..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...than-gold.html

Aston Martin have said there will only ever be a 1000 of these produced which s one of the prerequisites of the index. If you don't want to read the whole thing here is a summary and some examples...

To win its place in the index that now covers 50 cars, each must have had no more than 1,000 examples built, be worth at least £100,000 individually and have an established collector community, among other criteria. Each had to have at least recovered its original price. “It had to have emerged from the valley of sorrow,” as Hatlapa puts it.
Once HAGI’s experts began monitoring the index it became clear that someone who bought a rare Bugatti, Jaguar or Ferrari in top condition would have done better during the downturn than an investor in almost any other asset, including fine art, wine – or even gold, as a chart in Hatlapa’s new reference book, Better than Gold: Investing in Historic Cars – demonstrates.
Another startling fact emerged; the classic car market moved entirely independently of any other investment area.
The HAGI index has risen 31.5 per cent since it began tracking the market early in 2009. And while it tracks only the top of the market, which is now worth £20 billion with annual turnover of £2 billion, Hatlapa says it also informs movements further down the classic car market.
“It’s a niche market, not a substitute for other investments,” he cautions. “But if you have property, art and private equity, a collector’s car is an excellent complement to your portfolio, something you can enjoy and touch.
“One thing is certain: there’s a finite supply of classic cars. They aren’t making them any more.”
THE ULTIMATE INVESTMENTS
Gold
Price in 1980: £260 per ounce
Price now: £1,150 per ounce
Aston Martin DB5 saloon
Price in 1980: under £10,000
Price now: well over £300,000 for best examples (1964 DB5 belonging to Westlife’s Shane Filan sold at Bonhams’ Goodwood auction for £348,000).
Ferrari Dino 246GT
Price in 1980: under £9,000
Price now: £150,000-plus for fine examples (1972 246GT with 30,000 miles and meticulously rebuilt sold for £164,300 at Bonhams Goodwood).
Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7
Price in 1980: about £9,000
Price now: upwards of £200,000 for better examples with high degree of originality (at Goodwood this year, Bonhams sold a 1973 lightweight with replacement engine for £221,500).
Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing
Price in 1980: about £25,000
Price now: up to £500,000 for very high-quality restored cars or ones with exceptional history and originality (at Goodwood, Bonhams sold a 1955 example for £342,500; this same car had sold for £122,500 at auction in 2001).
Ferrari 365GTB/4 Daytona
Price in 1980: £20,000
Price now: £250,000 for extremely original low-mileage examples or pristine restored cars.

Anyway to the OP whether you wait or buy one, you will own an awesome piece of art and engineering.

 

You do know that Aston has blown thru the 1000 limit, don't you?

 

The Austin dealer has a '12 model for under $180K. I have hopes that they will bottom out near $150K at worst and then rise over time. Let's hope so!

 

Ive heard that but haven't seen it officially confirmed though. Highest I've heard from is 1300 yet on (old) Aston literature limited to 1000 was qouted.

Theres a reported 250 here in the uk which include a coiple of class B write offs Either way I think it's the first car I think I will always keep.

 

They will definitely drop below $150....there are DBS's already below that.

 

unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your view on these things, I will most likely be putting too many miles on it to keep it as a pure 'collectable'.

These things should definitely be driven!

 

Rumor has it that there will not be a 2013 V12V in the USA. Anyone else hear that?

 

Nope. No V12 Vantages for 2013. And yet there are still a number of leftover 11 and 12 V12s for sale. Doesn't bode well for an increase in value in the near future. I think the V12R will be the one to have.

 

Unless you live in the US.

 

There are 5 times as many DBS. They are not as exclusive and not as much fun to drive.

 

From here on out all v12 vantages will be roadsters from what I understand (another 1000 I believe).

The v12 vantages will drop below 150k, but will base somewhere in the 130-140k range then probably start appreciating from there, I don't see them going below that, especially for a carbon black

 

Where did you get the "5 times as many DBS" factoid? Considering VINs are in the low 3 thousand range for 2012 models, I seriously doubt there are 5000 DBS's.

Not as much fun to drive? That's just pure BS.

 

I'm not keeping up with vin numbers, I just don't have the time but thanks. I was told by my dealer when I was choosing between a V12V and a DBS roadster that there would be 5 times as many DBS by the time they were done producing the V12V. So may be there are more V12V's now and may be there is less demand for the DBS and less being made. So if there is only 3 times as many versus 5 good for you and your stat keeping. As far as which car is more fun, even AM considers the V12V their most focused sports car. That's their wording. I have spent time on roads and tracks with both. May be as a Jag person, the DBS is more appealing to you. That seems to be reasonable. The DBS is an awesome car no doubt but fun is a different kind of measure.

 

From what I recall, there are only supposed to be 101 V12Rs produced. I believe Aston showed an image of the car with a plate that said "___ of 101." Where did you get the 1000 figure?

As for the price ranges, how do you know that the price "will" drop below 150k and then base in the 130-140k range? If you're going to speak with such authority as to what will happen in the future, you should probably provide some basis for your statement.