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Need some help with a purchase!
Im debating between 4 cars and the money i'm willing to pay peaks out at around 200K. The four cars are: 1. Bentley GTC 2. Maserati GTS 3. Ferrari California 4. Aston Martin V8V
I am aware that this is an Aston Martin forum, so I will be posting this in each respective forum so that I can get a broad range of answers from different owners. Thanks again for your input!
I am aware that this is an Aston Martin forum, so I will be posting this in each respective forum so that I can get a broad range of answers from different owners. Thanks again for your input!
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It is indeed an Aston forum so I can guess who will win the poll. Also, from your username it appears that you've already made up your mind?
You've identified some pretty different cars at some pretty different price points. If you're considering cars around $200K, I would replace V8V with V12V. That would be the clear winner to me, but I'm of course biased.
You've identified some pretty different cars at some pretty different price points. If you're considering cars around $200K, I would replace V8V with V12V. That would be the clear winner to me, but I'm of course biased.
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It is indeed an Aston forum so I can guess who will win the poll. Also, from your username it appears that you've already made up your mind?
You've identified some pretty different cars at some pretty different price points. If you're considering cars around $200K, I would replace V8V with V12V. That would be the clear winner to me, but I'm of course biased.
You've identified some pretty different cars at some pretty different price points. If you're considering cars around $200K, I would replace V8V with V12V. That would be the clear winner to me, but I'm of course biased.
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I see that you are a proud owner of an Aston Martin V12 Vantage. Have you ever driven the V8? What are the differences? Besides the obvious, such as horsepower, etc.
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I used to own a V8V, the first gen. Power is of course the biggest difference, but it's difficult to underestimate the difference this makes in terms of the driving experience. To me, the V8V really lacked low-end torque, which I found frustrating. The V12V has ample power and torque and is very grin inducing. While you say you don't need all the extra power, you don't need to use 100% of it 100% of the time. It's really nice having the additional power even in your normal driving situations (merging onto the highway, passing cars, etc.). In addition, it's great not to have to have to wind the engine up to get into the power band.
Besides power, the car is lower and the suspension is firmer. Despite this, I've found that the car rides a lot better than my V8V, which was a bit crashy over the bumps (e.g., in the city). Part of the reason for this may have been the stiff OEM Bridgestone tires and the additional weight of the wheels and brakes of the V8V. Some claim that the V12V doesn't handle as well as the V8V (mainly V8V owners in my experience), but I find that the V12V handles amazingly well, like it's on rails. I have been able to keep up with everyone (Lambos, Ferraris, etc.) on spirited mountain drives. Of course, the PZero Corsas help in this respect.
The car also comes standard with the CCM brakes, which are phenomenal. I did a "panic" stop once from 60 mph just to see what it's like and the blood rushed to my head so quickly that I was dizzy afterward.
Finally, there's just something special about a 12-cylinder car. It's much more unique than a V8 and there is a long history of V12 sports cars that is carried forward with the V12V. In addition, V12Vs are very rare. There are, what, less than 700 V12Vs in the U.S.?
To be clear, I think you would be happy with a V8V. They are great cars and the newer gen cars are far better in terms of power/torque than the first gen. It just seems to me, however, that if you're willing to spend up to $200k on a car, you may as get the V12V instead of the V8V. That said, it'd be nice to have an extra $50k-$100k to keep in your pocket.
Besides power, the car is lower and the suspension is firmer. Despite this, I've found that the car rides a lot better than my V8V, which was a bit crashy over the bumps (e.g., in the city). Part of the reason for this may have been the stiff OEM Bridgestone tires and the additional weight of the wheels and brakes of the V8V. Some claim that the V12V doesn't handle as well as the V8V (mainly V8V owners in my experience), but I find that the V12V handles amazingly well, like it's on rails. I have been able to keep up with everyone (Lambos, Ferraris, etc.) on spirited mountain drives. Of course, the PZero Corsas help in this respect.
The car also comes standard with the CCM brakes, which are phenomenal. I did a "panic" stop once from 60 mph just to see what it's like and the blood rushed to my head so quickly that I was dizzy afterward.
Finally, there's just something special about a 12-cylinder car. It's much more unique than a V8 and there is a long history of V12 sports cars that is carried forward with the V12V. In addition, V12Vs are very rare. There are, what, less than 700 V12Vs in the U.S.?
To be clear, I think you would be happy with a V8V. They are great cars and the newer gen cars are far better in terms of power/torque than the first gen. It just seems to me, however, that if you're willing to spend up to $200k on a car, you may as get the V12V instead of the V8V. That said, it'd be nice to have an extra $50k-$100k to keep in your pocket.
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I used to own a V8V, the first gen. Power is of course the biggest difference, but it's difficult to underestimate the difference this makes in terms of the driving experience. To me, the V8V really lacked low-end torque, which I found frustrating. The V12V has ample power and torque and is very grin inducing. While you say you don't need all the extra power, you don't need to use 100% of it 100% of the time. It's really nice having the additional power even in your normal driving situations (merging onto the highway, passing cars, etc.). In addition, it's great not to have to have to wind the engine up to get into the power band.
Besides power, the car is lower and the suspension is firmer. Despite this, I've found that the car rides a lot better than my V8V, which was a bit crashy over the bumps (e.g., in the city). Part of the reason for this may have been the stiff OEM Bridgestone tires and the additional weight of the wheels and brakes of the V8V. Some claim that the V12V doesn't handle as well as the V8V (mainly V8V owners in my experience), but I find that the V12V handles amazingly well, like it's on rails. I have been able to keep up with everyone (Lambos, Ferraris, etc.) on spirited mountain drives. Of course, the PZero Corsas help in this respect.
The car also comes standard with the CCM brakes, which are phenomenal. I did a "panic" stop once from 60 mph just to see what it's like and the blood rushed to my head so quickly that I was dizzy afterward.
Finally, there's just something special about a 12-cylinder car. It's much more unique than a V8 and there is a long history of V12 sports cars that is carried forward with the V12V. In addition, V12Vs are very rare. There are, what, less than 700 V12Vs in the U.S.?
To be clear, I think you would be happy with a V8V. They are great cars and the newer gen cars are far better in terms of power/torque than the first gen. It just seems to me, however, that if you're willing to spend up to $200k on a car, you may as get the V12V instead of the V8V. That said, it'd be nice to have an extra $50k-$100k to keep in your pocket.
Besides power, the car is lower and the suspension is firmer. Despite this, I've found that the car rides a lot better than my V8V, which was a bit crashy over the bumps (e.g., in the city). Part of the reason for this may have been the stiff OEM Bridgestone tires and the additional weight of the wheels and brakes of the V8V. Some claim that the V12V doesn't handle as well as the V8V (mainly V8V owners in my experience), but I find that the V12V handles amazingly well, like it's on rails. I have been able to keep up with everyone (Lambos, Ferraris, etc.) on spirited mountain drives. Of course, the PZero Corsas help in this respect.
The car also comes standard with the CCM brakes, which are phenomenal. I did a "panic" stop once from 60 mph just to see what it's like and the blood rushed to my head so quickly that I was dizzy afterward.
Finally, there's just something special about a 12-cylinder car. It's much more unique than a V8 and there is a long history of V12 sports cars that is carried forward with the V12V. In addition, V12Vs are very rare. There are, what, less than 700 V12Vs in the U.S.?
To be clear, I think you would be happy with a V8V. They are great cars and the newer gen cars are far better in terms of power/torque than the first gen. It just seems to me, however, that if you're willing to spend up to $200k on a car, you may as get the V12V instead of the V8V. That said, it'd be nice to have an extra $50k-$100k to keep in your pocket.
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You're spending $200k on a car and you're concerned about service costs?
Service costs should be comparable between the two. CCM brakes will be more expensive to replace than steel, but that's not something that wears out quickly. Also, PZero Corsa tires are expensive, but you don't have to go with them. Regardless, Aston service costs will be less than Ferrari's. Not sure about Bentley or Maserati, but I'm sure they're expensive too.
Service costs should be comparable between the two. CCM brakes will be more expensive to replace than steel, but that's not something that wears out quickly. Also, PZero Corsa tires are expensive, but you don't have to go with them. Regardless, Aston service costs will be less than Ferrari's. Not sure about Bentley or Maserati, but I'm sure they're expensive too.
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The V12V is wonderful, an epic car. But, as Racer noted, his V8V was an early car (4.3) and the later 4.7s are significantly improved -- they have a lot more torque (the main "shortcoming" of the 4.3), and the suspension has been developed -- it's both better controlled and less crashy. Also, the 4.7 can be had with the Sports Pack which, if you want the extra response (and the firmer ride that comes with it), is superb. Note that the 4.3 can be retrofitted with the Sports Pack suspension and wheels. To be clear, though, I think the 4.3s are great cars also.
The V12 is more expensive to service than the V8, but the difference for a given service is typically a few hundred dollars -- not a big difference to the overall picture.
BTW, Racer, I think there are only about 250 V12Vs in the US.
The V12 is more expensive to service than the V8, but the difference for a given service is typically a few hundred dollars -- not a big difference to the overall picture.
BTW, Racer, I think there are only about 250 V12Vs in the US.
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Ah, even fewer than I thought. Will need to keep this in mind next time I want to brag down at the pub. 
but that's what I was told by a guy from AM.
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