Coatings for Car
worst is to use a leaf blower that you use to actually blow leaves... you'd be surprised at how much debris gets sucked into it and is forced on to your paint...
I actually have a small hand held blower with non marring rubber nozzle that is made for pets... it's identical to others that are rebrands for cars...I got it from a pet c store with a big on line discount... powerful, easy to hold and long extension cord... easy to store.
I actually have a small hand held blower with non marring rubber nozzle that is made for pets... it's identical to others that are rebrands for cars...I got it from a pet c store with a big on line discount... powerful, easy to hold and long extension cord... easy to store.
worst is to use a leaf blower that you use to actually blow leaves... you'd be surprised at how much debris gets sucked into it and is forced on to your paint...
I actually have a small hand held blower with non marring rubber nozzle that is made for pets... it's identical to others that are rebrands for cars...I got it from a pet c store with a big on line discount... powerful, easy to hold and long extension cord... easy to store.
I actually have a small hand held blower with non marring rubber nozzle that is made for pets... it's identical to others that are rebrands for cars...I got it from a pet c store with a big on line discount... powerful, easy to hold and long extension cord... easy to store.
Thanks for taking the time to write all of that up. I had to do a bit of research to figure out what any of those products were but now I think I understand it a lot more. I grew up just using simple liquid wax on my cars and doing that every couple months, which I assume is still fine, but more labor intensive. I'll have to look into doing a ppf on my car first and then setting myself up with a good sealant.
And possibly a dumb question, but is there a reason someone can't use a strong leaf-blower on their car for drying instead of these blower vacs? Is there really that much of a difference between the two?
And possibly a dumb question, but is there a reason someone can't use a strong leaf-blower on their car for drying instead of these blower vacs? Is there really that much of a difference between the two?
Yes, thanks Sheriffdep for sharing your thoughts. Your philosophy about what cars are best suited for coatings vs. polymer/wax is shared by many within the high-end detailing community (and myself). I just can't bring myself to coat my collectibles, even though my experience with Kamikaze products (Miyabi, Zipang, Stance, and Overcoat) has been exceptional. Have you tried their quick detailer yet?
Playing around a bit last year, I applied Overcoat on top of a polymer sealant. I was pretty blown away by the result. Perhaps its because my sealant didn't have the gloss I thought it did (Zaino), but Overcoat made the paint absolute pop. I really like the look, and since Overcoat is just a topper it's easy to remove. Does it offer the long term protection of a true coating? Of course not. But it looks incredible and there's no real downside other than cost.
Playing around a bit last year, I applied Overcoat on top of a polymer sealant. I was pretty blown away by the result. Perhaps its because my sealant didn't have the gloss I thought it did (Zaino), but Overcoat made the paint absolute pop. I really like the look, and since Overcoat is just a topper it's easy to remove. Does it offer the long term protection of a true coating? Of course not. But it looks incredible and there's no real downside other than cost.
There is a big difference and it's easiest to just try both and you'll see why. The Master Blaster has a much better concentrated air flow and comes with different nozzles. It's a big expense, but very well worth every penny and then some. I have 8HP model and recommend it over the 4HP even though the 4HP gets the job done.
worst is to use a leaf blower that you use to actually blow leaves... you'd be surprised at how much debris gets sucked into it and is forced on to your paint...
I actually have a small hand held blower with non marring rubber nozzle that is made for pets... it's identical to others that are rebrands for cars...I got it from a pet c store with a big on line discount... powerful, easy to hold and long extension cord... easy to store.
I actually have a small hand held blower with non marring rubber nozzle that is made for pets... it's identical to others that are rebrands for cars...I got it from a pet c store with a big on line discount... powerful, easy to hold and long extension cord... easy to store.
I bought this leaf blower from Home Depot and using to dry DB9 and BMW Z4. $40 only and does an excellent job. Never have to use microfiber towels. Save the remaining $s for something else.
RYOBI 135 MPH 440 CFM 8 Amp Corded Electric Jet Fan Blower
RYOBI 135 MPH 440 CFM 8 Amp Corded Electric Jet Fan Blower
I bought this leaf blower from Home Depot and using to dry DB9 and BMW Z4. $40 only and does an excellent job. Never have to use microfiber towels. Save the remaining $s for something else.
RYOBI 135 MPH 440 CFM 8 Amp Corded Electric Jet Fan Blower
RYOBI 135 MPH 440 CFM 8 Amp Corded Electric Jet Fan Blower
I have not used a blower to dry my cars, but have seen people do it. I have never seen all the water blown out of mirrors, panel edges, etc.... and not drip afterwards with a blower other than a higher focused nozzle. Cuddapah is a friend and is as picky as i am about his cars. This is worth a try for someone and maybe return if they dont like before spending $400. (the sidekick or small Big Boi is around $100 but water will dry before you get it all off, they just dont have enough air blowing through to get it done IMHO) It can't hurt to do try it out. For me, 30ft hose with concentrated air, is all i will do. But good to have options for anything you do.
Thanks for putting that in Cuddapah!!!
I have not used a blower to dry my cars, but have seen people do it. I have never seen all the water blown out of mirrors, panel edges, etc.... and not drip afterwards with a blower other than a higher focused nozzle. Cuddapah is a friend and is as picky as i am about his cars. This is worth a try for someone and maybe return if they dont like before spending $400. (the sidekick or small Big Boi is around $100 but water will dry before you get it all off, they just dont have enough air blowing through to get it done IMHO) It can't hurt to do try it out. For me, 30ft hose with concentrated air, is all i will do. But good to have options for anything you do.
Thanks for putting that in Cuddapah!!!
Thanks for putting that in Cuddapah!!!
Another question. I read on another forum that our paints are too soft for clay bars and we shouldn't clay our cars. Is this true and if so, what should we use to clean our car's paint before sealing or waxing?
If you choose to clay to remove contaminates, use a lot of lubrication, mild-to-no force, and immediately throw it away if it falls to the ground. Don't think you'll be able to pick out bits of debris if that happens...you won't get them all, and will likely regret it. Yes it can be frustrating when your almost done and the last of your clay launches to the floor, but its just not worth risking the inevitable collateral damage.
An important consideration for clay is that you'll need to polish the car afterwards. No way around it if you are fussy about paint and don't tolerate swirls, micro-marring, etc. Personally, I like using products like Iron-X for metal particles (rail dust, brake pad and rotor dust, etc.), and either P21 Total Auto Wash or a wax and grease remover for misc road grime, in lieu of clay. On the rare occasions when I do use clay or a synthetic clay pad, I proceed with caution.
If you choose to clay to remove contaminates, use a lot of lubrication, mild-to-no force, and immediately throw it away if it falls to the ground. Don't think you'll be able to pick out bits of debris if that happens...you won't get them all, and will likely regret it. Yes it can be frustrating when your almost done and the last of your clay launches to the floor, but its just not worth risking the inevitable collateral damage.
If you choose to clay to remove contaminates, use a lot of lubrication, mild-to-no force, and immediately throw it away if it falls to the ground. Don't think you'll be able to pick out bits of debris if that happens...you won't get them all, and will likely regret it. Yes it can be frustrating when your almost done and the last of your clay launches to the floor, but its just not worth risking the inevitable collateral damage.
And no, there is not any too soft paint where you shouldn't clay it at least once. Especially a vehicle from a dealer and a new one should be ironed and clayed when purchased. The rail dust and environmental fallout during shipping and transferring of the vehicle will be more than at anytime during your ownership.
An important consideration for clay is that you'll need to polish the car afterwards. No way around it if you are fussy about paint and don't tolerate swirls, micro-marring, etc. Personally, I like using products like Iron-X for metal particles (rail dust, brake pad and rotor dust, etc.), and either P21 Total Auto Wash or a wax and grease remover for misc road grime, in lieu of clay. On the rare occasions when I do use clay or a synthetic clay pad, I proceed with caution.
If you choose to clay to remove contaminates, use a lot of lubrication, mild-to-no force, and immediately throw it away if it falls to the ground. Don't think you'll be able to pick out bits of debris if that happens...you won't get them all, and will likely regret it. Yes it can be frustrating when your almost done and the last of your clay launches to the floor, but its just not worth risking the inevitable collateral damage.
If you choose to clay to remove contaminates, use a lot of lubrication, mild-to-no force, and immediately throw it away if it falls to the ground. Don't think you'll be able to pick out bits of debris if that happens...you won't get them all, and will likely regret it. Yes it can be frustrating when your almost done and the last of your clay launches to the floor, but its just not worth risking the inevitable collateral damage.
Iron-X works, but boy does it stink and stays with the car for almost a week. I still notice stuff on the paint using clay after Iron-X, but it is easier to go over than no Iron-X. I like using the Nano Mitt instead of the clay bar. The fine grade is all that's needed. Can be rinsed off and washed. Still needs polishing like the clay bar.
Okay I'm learning a lot. So follow up questions, if you all don't mind sharing:
1. Say I clay the car and need to polish afterward, can I hand polish or are you only considering polishing by using a random orbital (or rotary) buffer?
2. What's a great product for protecting and reviving our black trim?
3. What's a great product for restoring our chrome trim pieces (or any plastic chrome pieces on other cars)?
1. Say I clay the car and need to polish afterward, can I hand polish or are you only considering polishing by using a random orbital (or rotary) buffer?
2. What's a great product for protecting and reviving our black trim?
3. What's a great product for restoring our chrome trim pieces (or any plastic chrome pieces on other cars)?
Another dumb question along these line:
How do I know if the car has been coated? I still have nice beading after six months - all I have done is hose off the dust/debris. I have not applied any wax. One I used high pressure spray to remove debris/dirt. Mostly I just use a bucket. Using two buckets, I washed in with just water (no soap) and then rinsed microfiber in another bucket. I didn't get all the dirt off, on the sides, but it still looks good, and beads. I really need to clean the wheels.
How do I know if the car has been coated? I still have nice beading after six months - all I have done is hose off the dust/debris. I have not applied any wax. One I used high pressure spray to remove debris/dirt. Mostly I just use a bucket. Using two buckets, I washed in with just water (no soap) and then rinsed microfiber in another bucket. I didn't get all the dirt off, on the sides, but it still looks good, and beads. I really need to clean the wheels.
Another dumb question along these line:
How do I know if the car has been coated? I still have nice beading after six months - all I have done is hose off the dust/debris. I have not applied any wax. One I used high pressure spray to remove debris/dirt. Mostly I just use a bucket. Using two buckets, I washed in with just water (no soap) and then rinsed microfiber in another bucket. I didn't get all the dirt off, on the sides, but it still looks good, and beads. I really need to clean the wheels.
How do I know if the car has been coated? I still have nice beading after six months - all I have done is hose off the dust/debris. I have not applied any wax. One I used high pressure spray to remove debris/dirt. Mostly I just use a bucket. Using two buckets, I washed in with just water (no soap) and then rinsed microfiber in another bucket. I didn't get all the dirt off, on the sides, but it still looks good, and beads. I really need to clean the wheels.
If the car is seldom used and/or washed, just about anything can last a long time...6 months really isn’t that long in the grand scheme of things. Obviously there are a lot of factors that affect this though (whether the car is stored indoors/outdoors and how much sun it sees are big ones).
Regarding the identification of what’s on the paint (coated vs not coated), the only way I know of would be to try removing it with an IPA (isopropyl alcohol solution like CarPro Eraser designed to remove polish residue), wax and grease remover, or maybe Dawn dishwashing soap. Those products shouldn’t affect a heathy coating, but will remove most waxes and sealants.





