Aston Martin DB7, DB9, DBS, Vantage V8, Vanquish, and Classic models

'12 Vantage S - ASM - Hydraulic fluid leak

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Oct 16, 2021 | 04:41 PM
  #1  
tdott's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
From: T.Dot
Rep Power: 0
tdott is infamous around these parts
'12 Vantage S - ASM - Hydraulic fluid leak

Saw a dripping trail of fluid when I pulled the car out. After I realize it wasn't the AC drain water, it was an oily fluid. Pulled it onto my lift and found the general area where it is coming from.

There are 3 lines on the side of the transaxle, that run towards the top of the transmission. Looks like these are the hydraulic lines going to the actuator that controls the shifting and or clutch.

This is a picture of the 3 lines I am talking about:


The leak appears to be coming from the middle line/connection and dripping down from what I can see. The top connection seems dry. Anyways does anyone know if the lines have an o-ring or some type of seal that I can change? or would I need new lines? I will probably try to disconnect the lines to see what it looks like there but it would be helpful if anyone has dealt with this before.

Also if I remove the line and most of the fluid drips out, it sounds like there is a clutch bleed procedure that needs to be done.
Can anyone recommend a scan tool/app that is not AMDS that can do this procedure? Ready to invest in one now.

Pray for me that I won't need to drop the transaxle to fix this leak.
BTW I'd rather drop the transaxle, replace the clutch and everything needed myself than take it to the dealer/shop, so please don't suggest that.
 
Old Oct 16, 2021 | 06:33 PM
  #2  
Batman-76's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 261
From: Atlanta
Rep Power: 24
Batman-76 has a spectacular aura aboutBatman-76 has a spectacular aura aboutBatman-76 has a spectacular aura about
I just had my clutch replaced and asked to have the hoses replaced at the same time.

Wasn't expecting them to be so worn, but see pic.

Total for the hoses was just under $500.
 
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	photo618.jpg
Views:	150
Size:	1.67 MB
ID:	534690  
Old Oct 16, 2021 | 07:58 PM
  #3  
61mga's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 606
From: denver
Rep Power: 31
61mga is infamous around these parts
i would tighten clamps and hope for the best before doing anything else.
 
Old Oct 17, 2021 | 02:28 PM
  #4  
LALEX1's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 26
From: LA
Rep Power: 13
LALEX1 is infamous around these parts
I just finished working on this unit in my car. The 3 hoses you have circled have a little cotter type clip holding them into the actuators. You pull that clip and the hoses can be pulled out. They have a green o-ring on each end which hopefully is your only issue. The lines themselves seem pretty strong so not likely that they are leaking. It is possible to do this without removing the transmission from the vehicle. If you remove the mounts and drop the exhaust, you can lower the transmission enough to be able to reach way up there.
I attached some pics that will hopefully help you

also as far as the other two hoses (the rubber ones that connect to the reservoir) they are terrible quality and tightening the clamps on them won’t help since they crack from all over the line and when that happen, you will lose your fluid and the car will not drive well, if at all.

I’ve had both go out.
Even Aston Martin sells “upgraded” hoses to replace their original low quality lines







 
Old Oct 17, 2021 | 06:10 PM
  #5  
tdott's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
From: T.Dot
Rep Power: 0
tdott is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by LALEX1
I just finished working on this unit in my car. The 3 hoses you have circled have a little cotter type clip holding them into the actuators. You pull that clip and the hoses can be pulled out. They have a green o-ring on each end which hopefully is your only issue. The lines themselves seem pretty strong so not likely that they are leaking. It is possible to do this without removing the transmission from the vehicle. If you remove the mounts and drop the exhaust, you can lower the transmission enough to be able to reach way up there.
I attached some pics that will hopefully help you.
That is awesome information. Thank you very much.

Definitely will try replacing those o-rings first. My hoses from the fluid reservoir don't look great but they are not where the leaks are coming from. I do plan to replace those when I'm in there.

The only other thing to figure out is the clutch bleed and what scan tool or app I would need once I finish the job and refill the fluid.
 
Old Oct 18, 2021 | 12:58 PM
  #6  
voodoocat's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 19
From: Los gatos, ca
Rep Power: 0
voodoocat is infamous around these parts
Hi the Foxwell NT530 scanner with aston martin sw does have ASM clutch bleed feature.
Youtube/Bamford Rose mention a repeated shifting through the gears (for ASM, 1-N-1) will bleed the air out of line.

Cheers
 
Old Oct 18, 2021 | 01:10 PM
  #7  
LALEX1's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 26
From: LA
Rep Power: 13
LALEX1 is infamous around these parts
I have the foxwell nt644 and mine does nothing have the bleed procedure on it.
but I can confirm that what worked for me was to put the car in accessory mode and paddle between 1-n-r
i did this multiple times until the “grinding” sounds got less and less noticeable. And they finally went away completely and car sounds and feels perfect now. I actually had an appointment at a local shop that has the amds software but ended up cancelling it.
Also, I did the procedure with the car on Jack’s so I could continue adding fluid into the reservoir as the system bled itself. You could see that bubbles were coming out because the fluid in the reservoir was bubbly. Eventually all the bubbles were gone and car works perfectly!
my cousin actually walked me through the process since the actuator is identical to the one in his bmw m3. I even noticed that the electrical plugs that connect to the actuator have bmw stamped on them.
 
Old Oct 18, 2021 | 06:42 PM
  #8  
tdott's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
From: T.Dot
Rep Power: 0
tdott is infamous around these parts
Awesome info! Thanks guys.
 
Old Oct 24, 2021 | 06:44 AM
  #9  
tdott's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
From: T.Dot
Rep Power: 0
tdott is infamous around these parts

I changed the orings and it is still leaking. Seems like it might be the lines itself but it's hard to tell. Any suggestions before I order all 3 lines and lower the trans?
 
Old Oct 24, 2021 | 08:15 AM
  #10  
J doubleU's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,418
From: So Cal
Rep Power: 261
J doubleU Is a GOD !J doubleU Is a GOD !J doubleU Is a GOD !J doubleU Is a GOD !J doubleU Is a GOD !J doubleU Is a GOD !J doubleU Is a GOD !J doubleU Is a GOD !J doubleU Is a GOD !J doubleU Is a GOD !J doubleU Is a GOD !
Those are high pressure lines, the LP return hose above is the most likely culprit, small cracked spots "spray" fluid any direction and makes it hard to trace the source. Replacement of the LP return to the reservoir and the reservoir to the pump.
 
Old Oct 25, 2021 | 08:54 AM
  #11  
tdott's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
From: T.Dot
Rep Power: 0
tdott is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by J doubleU
Those are high pressure lines, the LP return hose above is the most likely culprit, small cracked spots "spray" fluid any direction and makes it hard to trace the source. Replacement of the LP return to the reservoir and the reservoir to the pump.
Thank you, I will take another look.

I don't think I was able to see the LP return hose where it goes up towards the top of the trans, if it's leaking it's likely where I can't see.
 
Old Oct 25, 2021 | 03:42 PM
  #12  
Prefurbia's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,933
From: Minneapolis
Rep Power: 111
Prefurbia has a reputation beyond reputePrefurbia has a reputation beyond reputePrefurbia has a reputation beyond reputePrefurbia has a reputation beyond reputePrefurbia has a reputation beyond reputePrefurbia has a reputation beyond reputePrefurbia has a reputation beyond reputePrefurbia has a reputation beyond reputePrefurbia has a reputation beyond reputePrefurbia has a reputation beyond reputePrefurbia has a reputation beyond repute
Doesn't Redpants have a hose kit?
 
Old Oct 27, 2021 | 04:03 PM
  #13  
tdott's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
From: T.Dot
Rep Power: 0
tdott is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by Prefurbia
Doesn't Redpants have a hose kit?
For the LP hoses yes. Not for the HP lines.
 
Old Oct 27, 2021 | 05:13 PM
  #14  
voodoocat's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 19
From: Los gatos, ca
Rep Power: 0
voodoocat is infamous around these parts
The crimp looks similar to Lotus Elise oil cooler line that was recalled. The fitting has a rather weak retention barb, more like a rib, that slipped out.



 
Old Oct 28, 2021 | 07:10 PM
  #15  
Stuart@VelocityAP's Avatar
Basic Sponsor
10 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,641
From: Canada
Rep Power: 121
Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !Stuart@VelocityAP Is a GOD !
The low pressure lines are very common failure items, the high pressure ones less so. If anyone needs them we have 6 & 7 speed versions in stock from DAE:

https://www.velocityap.com/product/a.../?currency=USD
 
__________________
Stuart Dickinson
Managing Director
Velocity Automotive Performance Limited
206 Maple Avenue
Oliver, BC
Canada V2A 4W6
Office: (1)250-485-5126
www.velocityap.com


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:33 PM.