Same here, seems Tesla chargers around town and at stores are constantly in use. I know someone bought a Tesla who can't afford to put in an EV charger at their home, and need to find a charger everyday. Heard that Tesla tells owners to avoid constant use of fast chargers and charge at home as much as possible, otherwise you will reduce the battery life. What a f***ing nightmare.

 

Power, Beauty, Soul... that's what Aston Martin is all about

 

I would think the gas and oil lobbies will not let this happen in the states. I also think the EU law will have some changes or variations because their electrical grid is not as devolved as ours. Germany can barely heat themselves at this time.

 

people just don't talk about filling their cars up with gasoline anymore. it's just as tedious, we've just accepted it as part of living is all.

 

I can fill up my truck in 10 minutes and drive 500 miles. I can stop at any small town and get fuel I need... that's the accepted part of living right now.

Supply chain issues can certainly make fuel scarce at times...

Sure in the future there will be more opportunities for charging EV's, better batteries etc...

for now, as you sit in a EV charging space for a half an hour, observe every car that goes by or stops to fuel at a gas station and imagine every one of those vehicles needing to also stop and use a charging station just like yours...

 

Just imagine traveling across country on a family vacation. Maybe mobile fast charges for cars that are stranded out of juice will be a good business to get into.

 

Surely you must be joking. Anytime I want, I can pull off just about any exit, fill up my tank in five minutes and be back on the road for another 300 miles. Worst case scenario, I have wait in line for 5-10 additional minutes. BEST CASE SCENARIO with EV, you find an empty supercharger and have to wait 20-30 minutes for maaaaybe 300 miles. Worst case scenario, you have can only find a Level 2 charger and it's occupied, and you're now stuck for 5+ hours.

When the worst case scenario for option 1 is twice as good as the best case scenario for option 2, it's a far cry from "just as tedious."

 

I've friends who bought a Tesla 3. They have relatives in Los Angeles. They drive from Phoenix to visit them once a year. They did the trip in the Tesla the last visit. I asked them how the drive went. They described needing a charge over the half way mark. Basically, the car directed them to a charging station. The whole stop took a little over an hour. They said they watched a movie while charging.

So, a different car trip travel experience from what most of us are used to.

Check out this video

 

About 350 to 400 miles? 6 hours one tank of gas 10 minute potty break...

 

OK...just had to weigh in. When issues become political, whether you are left or right, the truth is lost.
We bought a 2021 Mustang Mach E in June of 2021...an engineering masterpiece.
Out son lives in the Catskills...the last time we looked, there was only one fast charging station on Route 90 between Worcester and Albany.
My wife suffered from Range Anxiety also.
To make matters worse, the cold weather range is horrible. The following is a letter I sent to Motor Trend about a year ago, I also sent a similar one to Car and Driver.To the Editor:
Motor Trend Misses the Boat!

Just got my March issue of Motor Trend.

When I saw the Intake 3.22 highlight, I was anxious to read of your new metric called ‘EPA Range…The Great Equalizer and the Latest MT Metric.’

Boy, did you get it completely wrong. Your lack of critical thinking skills as well as engineering analytics are astounding. You claim to be at the forefront of automotive technology, yet you neglect to include, in your new metric, the effect that cold weather has on EVs. Your lie of omission is inexcusable. You tout that EPA range starts with fuel economy testing, yet you neglect to perform the one test that most affects EV mileage vs the other types of automotive power. This is a disservice to your readership.

We own an electric vehicle, and although it is a technological masterpiece, both my wife and I would never buy another due to the performance in cold weather. We have recently experienced more than 40% decrease in range in the cold. I’m sure that the manufacturers know all about this in great detail and are trying to downplay this as much as possible. When asked about cold weather performance, they say to expect lower range but refuse to quantify it. Apparently, being truthful to the public and publishing real statistics would not be positive publicity for the industry

It amazes me that we have endless comparisons between ‘city mileage vs highway mileage’ at 10% differential on ICE yet ignore data that suggests up to 40% differential on EV. It amazes me even more that Motor Trend has developed a new metric which completely ignores this fact.



John Hanley

Narragansett, RI
Ignoring the cold weather issue makes EV's look great. However, if you live in a cold climate, all the statistics derived from the "Range" and "MPG Equivalent" mileage are exaggerated in real life.
By the way, we sold the Mustang last week and my wife is now enjoying another ICE vehicle with no stress.
Thanks,
JH

 

An EV is lots of software enclosed in movable hardware with electric motors with batteries as an energy source.

You are at the whim of the software developers for control of your EV.

A friend has (rather had) a Tesla that was in a minor accident. It was 100% drivable but Tesla decided that the vehicle needed to be repaired and disabled the vehicle until about $15,000 in repairs was made. There was nothing wrong with the drive train of the vehicle. Mainly cosmetics , a cracked windshield and a few other minor items... Tesla would only allow a Tesla certified shop do the work at hugely inflated rates...

You are driving computer hardware on wheels... all you "own" is the hardware... the operating system/ software is just licensed to you... you can't operate it unless Tesla allows you too.
this is how you control people.

Good luck!

 

Not to mention, sometimes they spontaneously combust! Nothing like a Tesla fire.

 

Great reply. Real world experiences are the only sure way to know the truth. And it's always nice to see people stand up and speak out against issues that actually matter.

 

I would dispute the EU claim that 'operating costs are already cheaper for EVs' - IF it is the case (and only likely in certain classes of car), it is largely because of the commission and governments rigging the market through taxation. It is certainly not the case that EVs are more 'environmentally friendly' than modern ICEs when you take into account the end-to-end environmental cost of each. And note they only apply this to cars - avoiding the elephant in the room that is heavy transport vehicles which, physically, are too heavy to ever likely become EVs. It is the usual triumph of nonsensical politics over the reality of the world and life. When it all proves unsustainable, the fools who made these decisions will be retired and living off their fat, gold plated, pensions, protected from the financial and operational consequences of their ill thought through policies. By all means we should be pushing industry to be more environmentally cleaner, but actually have a means of delivering it before going around banning stuff. But bans are the way governments control us these days.

 

i'll be reasonable and assume it's a five day work week you're speaking of and not "everyday". anyway, that's about 90,000 miles a year. not a very reasonable example. to be convincing, reasonable examples need to be presented. otherwise you are just making the case for the opposition.

BTW, this is true regardless of one's position.