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Old Sep 19, 2023 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by brightoncorgi
I saw that just now on Fox & Friends. Horrific. Makes me think I should put a camera in the garage. I have one for the driveway already.

Is he member on this forum? I suspect he's an AMOC member.

I hope they'll be caught prosecuted fully which I doubt. We are pro-criminal in most of New England. The suspects will get a slap on the wrist at best.
Let’s not be hyperbolic; we are NOT pro-criminal in New England. If caught they’ll be facing much more than a slap on the wrist. GTA and assault & battery for starters.
 
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Car has been recovered and 1 person arrested with multiple other stolen vehicles. LoJack works!
 
Old Sep 19, 2023 | 11:01 PM
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I put an apple AirTag in each of my cars. Easy to track and find as long as there is an apple device around, which here in CA is 95% of the time. There is not much one can do against two thugs that have not much to lose. And unless you are Chuck Norris or James Bond, you will get your *** kicked. Lucky he wasn’t shot or stabbed. Terrible situation to be in and I feel for the guy.
 
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 05:35 AM
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I am curious - If you typically carry a firearm when in public (lots of people do), watch the video again, put yourself in the place of the owner, would you have used it? And curious too, at what place in the video would you have fired, and at whom?
In MA if he used a gun to defend himself (in the video) he would've went to prison. Being carjacked does not warrant using in a gun in our state. Cannot speak for CT, but I think they are even more restrictive than MA.
 
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Originally Posted by brightoncorgi
In MA if he used a gun to defend himself (in the video) he would've went to prison. Being carjacked does not warrant using in a gun in our state. Cannot speak for CT, but I think they are even more restrictive than MA.
You don’t know that. Being assaulted in your home is not a simple car jack. Had he pulled a gun while being beaten and shot one or both of them, it would be justified self defense.
 
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 07:47 AM
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You don’t know that. Being assaulted in your home is not a simple car jack. Had he pulled a gun while being beaten and shot one or both of them, it would be justified self defense.
I've had an LTC in MA for some time. Would never want to actually carry (we are an open or concealed carry state) because the laws are so against someone who defends themselves.

Only if a gun was used or eminent threat of death in this incident. Neither were witnessed in this video. Carjacking does not constitute lethal retaliation unfortunately.

In MA, you're supposed to run out of the house if being assaulted in the home. Crazy, but that's the way it is in MA.
 
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Originally Posted by brightoncorgi
I've had an LTC in MA for some time. Would never want to actually carry (we are an open or concealed carry state) because the laws are so against someone who defends themselves.

Only if a gun was used or eminent threat of death in this incident. Neither were witnessed in this video. Carjacking does not constitute lethal retaliation unfortunately.

In MA, you're supposed to run out of the house if being assaulted in the home. Crazy, but that's the way it is in MA.
what a sad place to live
 
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Originally Posted by BWings
I am curious - If you typically carry a firearm when in public (lots of people do), watch the video again, put yourself in the place of the owner, would you have used it? And curious too, at what place in the video would you have fired, and at whom?
Today, too many criminals think less about their lives than the value of thy stuff they try to steal.

Please don't rely on 911 or police for protection... they come to mop up the mess and file reports.
 
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 08:42 AM
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This is so frustrating to watch. I live in Georgia, where there is a strong castle doctrine and no duty to retreat, and I have Marine Corps combat experience.

These guys definitely would've died in my garage.
 
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I'm glad to be in Florida, with training and experience.

I know what Sheriff Grady Judd would say afterward...
 
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I'm glad to be in Florida, with training and experience.

I know what Sheriff Grady Judd would say afterward...
ha ha this is true. Good to be in the free state of Florida also...
 
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Originally Posted by brightoncorgi
I've had an LTC in MA for some time. Would never want to actually carry (we are an open or concealed carry state) because the laws are so against someone who defends themselves.

Only if a gun was used or eminent threat of death in this incident. Neither were witnessed in this video. Carjacking does not constitute lethal retaliation unfortunately.

In MA, you're supposed to run out of the house if being assaulted in the home. Crazy, but that's the way it is in MA.

You know that’s BS. You can’t run out of your house while actively being beaten. Shooting to protect yourself from bodily harm would be justified. Read this…

“Even though Massachusetts is a "duty to retreat" state this however does not apply to home intruders. This is due to a MA statute called Castle Doctrine, there is no duty to retreat when the intruder is in your home.”

 

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Old Sep 21, 2023 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by XJRS Owner
You know that’s BS. You can’t run out of your house while actively being beaten. Shooting to protect yourself from bodily harm would be justified. Read this…

“Even though Massachusetts is a "duty to retreat" state this however does not apply to home intruders. This is due to a MA statute called Castle Doctrine, there is no duty to retreat when the intruder is in your home.”
Massachusetts's Castle Doctrine

"In Massachusetts deadly force is legal when the person is in their home and the aggressor forced their way in and is about to severely injure or kill them. There is no duty to retreat when inside one's home."

One could debate if the assailants were about to severely injure or kill.



 
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"about to severely injure or kill them", otherwise the homeowner should offer his guest complimentary tea and politely suggest a qualified social worker.
 
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Very sad to see. At the end of the day, just hand over the keys and get a new one later. Firstly, nothing is your worth your life when someone is potentially willing to take it. Everyone wants to act like a tough guy, until you're not here anymore. Secondly, if you are successful and don't get shot/killed first and you fight back, then all the BS of getting tied up in court for killing someone (whether you're innocent, guilty, standing your ground, castle doctrine, whatever you want to call it) and all the lawyers, money, time, effort, and days in jail, not worth it. We all have insurance and we all have ourselves and our loved ones.
 

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