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Old Mar 26, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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Heel-toe on S4

I'm still trying to practice heel-toeing, but can't seem to be able to do it at all on my B7 S4. The throttle is short and getting my heel on it seems physically impossible. The pedals also seem to be too far apart for me to roll the outside of my foot onto the throttle. Anyone have any pointers?
 
Old Mar 26, 2007 | 07:58 PM
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Dude, it's a massive pain in the a#$... The best way I found was to use the left side of my foot on the brake and rolling my right side onto the gas.
 
Old Mar 26, 2007 | 08:01 PM
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. Isn't it far easier in your 997S?
 
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. Isn't it far easier in your 997S?
MUCH - I just blip with the ball and brake with the rest of my foot...
 
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go to audmods.com and get the peddle set for "heal-toe"ing. They look like a good product
 
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I have a B5, but all the Audis I have driven have similar setups with the lower accelerator pedal. Chris pretty much summed it up, use the left side of your foot for brake, right side for gas. Because of the short gas pedal, you usually have to be pretty hard on the brake to reach it, sucks for non-sporty driving because there really is no practical way to make it smooth. Most of my passengers get out with a hurt neck.
 
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There's basically no smooth way to do it. Chris is spot on. I've tried it all with the stock setup, unsuccessfully - your best bet is probably a kit or something.
 
Old Mar 27, 2007 | 02:06 PM
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Thanks again guys. Since I don't track this car and I'm not on the brakes that hard, I think I'm giving up on heel-toeing in this car unless I get the peddle set.
 
Old Mar 27, 2007 | 07:51 PM
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in the words of master Yoda..."You must unlearn what you have learned"
As Chris from Cali already touched on, the solution in this case is the complete opposite of the Heel&Toe. I of course speak to you of the lesser used technique of Toe&Heel.
this is when you apply the brake with your right heel and roll your toe over the gas for the blip. I find it to be the perfect method for this car. with practice it will become second nature.
 
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The problem isn't so much with the S4 as it is your technique. Unfortunately people hear the term heel/toe and naturally think they should be using their heel.
As explained by others above, the proper technique (used by most) involves the use of both sides of your right foot and not actually the heel.
 
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Originally Posted by caitov1
The problem isn't so much with the S4 as it is your technique. Unfortunately people hear the term heel/toe and naturally think they should be using their heel.
As explained by others above, the proper technique (used by most) involves the use of both sides of your right foot and not actually the heel.
I've used different techniques in a lot of cars:

The above "foot-split (half and half)" method on the S4 and my Evo
The toes on the brake and heel on the gas in my S2000
The ball on the gas and foot on the brake in my 911

Different strokes depending on pedal layout. I have size 12 EEE feet, so that is both a blessing and a curse.
 
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To reiterate what most people do when doing a 'heel-toe', here's a video on it. I had seen a better one that showed it looking down in the footwell but couldn't find it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPj9XXW25GA


Also, you CAN do it in an S4 and it'll feel seamless (after some practice)...but you'll need some pedals. You can try someone like Ultimate Pedals and get a set w/ a gas pedal that has a small flange that sticks out to the left on the pedal. It closes the gap between the brake and makes it much easier to reach the gas (and it's purposely added so as to facilitate heel-toeing).
 
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Thanks for the video link.
 
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I do ball toe
 
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Your shoes also make a big difference. I find it a lot easier to do traditional heel-toe (toes on brake, heel "kicks" the gas) in driving shoes. Other shoes that are bulky or have soles that "flare out" make it a lot harder to rotate and do the traditional method. With wide/bulky shoes, I do the left half my foot on the brake/right half on the gas method... but I don't find this nearly as comforting on the track (scary when the foot slides off the brake). It's fine for the street though, when you don't need nearly as much pressure on the brake.

But to answer your question, I find it far easier to heel-toe using any method in my 911 than my RS 4. And the B5 S4 had was just about impossible with stock pedals.
 

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