I hear you about the moddability of TT engines. You can't even compare, especially when you factor in the hp/$ quotient.

However, this is highly disappointing to me bc BMW was one of the few manufacturer's that focused on hi-pot NA engines and (for a while) designed cars for the true enthusiasts. Now the ///M is going to be like AMG (they will go turbo soon), RS. There are all practically the same

Anyways, looks like ///M will be going lower REV + Turbo bc of the high cost of NA engines (great things aren't cheap!) and pursuit of better mpg/emissions.

 

Very interesting.

If they use large enough turbos, with VTG like tech, then you should be able to have your cake and eat it too. Minimal/no lag, plenty of low-end punch, insane high-end. They should learn a lesson from Audi. Audi spent a lot of money replacing too small turbos under warranty. Got too hot and were over worked when ran to redline. But they had great v8 like punch from <2k rpm. With VTG, you can use much larger turbos and get that same low-end punch, while still being able to open them up for great flow to a high rpm.

If they can afford to make it rev, it will still have some M character. The exhaust note will not be the same, but high revving turbo engines sound pretty mean in their own right. VTG with higher rev would give it more exclusivity than the 335.

Any kid throwing a turbo on a 4cylinder is not the same as a well engineered turbo car. The kid's car may be quick when it's running, but it drives like **** and is unusable for anything but highway races.

 

well since they already went from 6 to 8 cyl on the m3s, might as well. but high-revving naturally aspirated engines are so much more fun.

 

I think this is a mistake. We are at a point of diminishing returns with usable horsepower. In the real world of speeds below 120, the issue is mass and traction. I think 400-500 HP is plenty. What I want are 2500 pound cars, not 4500!!!

Imagine a 2500 M3 coupe!! Or 911TT.

 

+1
The VTG is such a wonderful thing!
The only thing I`d be concerned about is that BMW is really into mass production and I guess when operated at the limits the engines are not as reliable as let`s say porsche engines...
Problems with the BMW turbos or VANOs are well known,so if they add the VTG to a M Turbo engine,I would be very happy about that but still a bit sceptic.

 

Amen. You can't fight physics, no matter how good your trac control system is. I won't hold my breath though. The 370z was supposed to be 300lbs lighter than its predecessor. Ultimate weight savings? Less than 80lbs...can't get around federally mandated safety nannies I suppose

 

+1,000

 

Amen

 

I was thinking the same thing reading through this post... They wouldn't need the turbo's if they weren't so concerned with not turning anyone off and appealing to every single demographic. It seems the natural progression for almost any automaker these days is the longer a particular model is around, the more it becomes a GT car most concerned with being comfortable for ANYONE.

Put the M cars on a diet, lose the NASA computing power and a Turbo won't be needed.

Ultimate Driving Machine?... ppssshhhh

 

i am against to bmw use turbos in the ///M engines i prefer to keep it naturaly aspirated engines but increasing the litters if they want more hp
the ///M engines must be n/a guys

 

Reminds me back to the 2002tii days. Awesome! Finally the M3 will have some torque!

I say its a welcome change, that will eventually be supported by the enthusiasts. Once they hit the streets, I'm sure the naysayers will jump ship

 

if this news is true then that makes the "shafted" owners owners of the last na M engine to be made by bmw. sounds pretty good imho from a collectors pov

 

Amen to the issue of displacement.
Can you imagine a 7.0 L naturally aspirated engine in the M5!!
More aggressive cams and 650 bhp with > 550 torque is possible without breathing heavy.
I would be first in line.

Ranger

 

sounds like C6 Z06 is what you need

 

NA 8 turbos