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CTT vs CGTS
Any comparison thoughts on the CTT vs the CGTS ? Why do the reviews say it is the CGTS is the sportiest and most engaging cayenne ? I thought the turbo with more power should be more sporty. I am asking because I have a chance to trade my 2012 CTT with 3800 miles ( and resent engine replaced ) for a new 2013 CGTS with all the options I would want. Should I do it ? Thanks in advance for the thoughts.
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Any comparison thoughts on the CTT vs the CGTS ? Why do the reviews say it is the CGTS is the sportiest and most engaging cayenne ? I thought the turbo with more power should be more sporty. I am asking because I have a chance to trade my 2012 CTT with 3800 miles ( and resent engine replaced ) for a new 2013 CGTS with all the options I would want. Should I do it ? Thanks in advance for the thoughts.
GTS is fun to drive..felt exactly like my CT...till I realized the boost would not show up
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Yes Pepper knows best. there are many threads you can search on this debate. I drove both but enjoyed the power of the CTT more. A lot of people describe the CTT as the best of both worlds- comfortable cruising when needed and raw power and thrill when needed. Mine is supposed to arrive in 6-7 weeks. Then I can experience what everyone is talking about! right Pepper ?? 
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Yes Pepper knows best. there are many threads you can search on this debate. I drove both but enjoyed the power of the CTT more. A lot of people describe the CTT as the best of both worlds- comfortable cruising when needed and raw power and thrill when needed. Mine is supposed to arrive in 6-7 weeks. Then I can experience what everyone is talking about! right Pepper ??
Enjoy feeling the excitement build..followed by the sweeeet release of cruising in your own CT
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You need a test drive.
I think the GTS looks hotter than a CT with the lower stance, the alcantara upholstery, body kit, etc, but for a DD SUV, its nowhere as fast and a pleasure to drive as a CT, the stiffer suspension and noisier exhaust gets old really quick.
Take it from a 13' GTS owner.
I think the GTS looks hotter than a CT with the lower stance, the alcantara upholstery, body kit, etc, but for a DD SUV, its nowhere as fast and a pleasure to drive as a CT, the stiffer suspension and noisier exhaust gets old really quick.
Take it from a 13' GTS owner.
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+1 on the test drive,if possible
Here's a pic of mine next to a GTS I test drove
Ps:I did not yet have its side-skirts installed(I ordered them right after seeing this GTS)
Here's a pic of mine next to a GTS I test drove
Ps:I did not yet have its side-skirts installed(I ordered them right after seeing this GTS)
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Thanks for all the advice. Just test drove the GTS again and though nice, I like my CTT better.
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I don't own either, but I am hoping to order a GTS soon. Here's my reasoning, which obviously is tailored to my needs so ymmv.
I'm looking for a mostly daily driver and tow vehicle. I do not anticipate pushing the car hard (I'd jump in my RS for that kind of drive) so Vmax and autobahn acceleration is irrelevant, but engaging feel and sound is still valued.
I test drove both and preferred the GTS. The engine is far more responsive (and sounds fantastic - a feature exclusive to the GTS). I found the Turbo to be too laggy (and I'm used to lag having had a 996 and 997 TT in the past), and while it does get moving when it builds a head of steam, it's not so quick as to induce silly giggles with every punch of the gas (see: 911 Turbo). I just don't feel I would dip into the heavy boost that often, so to me a more responsive engine is more interesting to drive.
As far as ride quality, I didn't notice a major difference, but I didn't get that much seat time. The lower ride of the GTS certainly makes it look better, and should give a more buttoned-down feel in theory (a positive to me, even if it trades in a tiny bit of comfort).
In terms of looks, you could option a Turbo to look almost exactly the same as a GTS on the exterior, but this would get quite pricey (aero kit, blacked out trim, etc). Hands down the GTS is cooler looking, I think.
Then we get to the exclusive GTS features, which are what really seal the deal for me. The GTS stitched interior is so much more sporty looking, and I love it (I'm a sucker for unique features of models). I don't care about 18 way adjustments when I can have a interior with green (or red) stitching and seriously bolstered alcantara/leather seats. I also really like the Carmine Red and even the Peridot Metallic, which I'm eagerly awaiting seeing in person before ordering (I may wimp out and do White instead, but got my eye on the green).
I think if you don't care about the GTS exclusive features (interior, namely) then go for a Turbo. A GTS optioned without those features looks goofy to me and seems like a waste (by the same token, a GT3 RS with "sofa" seats). Either go full GTS or skip it and get a Turbo.
In my estimation, which was comparing GTS with a Turbo+aero+trim, the Turbo came out about $15000 more. For that, you lose the interesting colors (Carmine, Peridot), lose the lowered stance, lose the sport exhaust, lose the awesome GTS interior, lose the engine noise and revvy motor, etc. All I can think that you gain is a few hundred pounds in weight and the turbo mill, for better or worse.
I'm looking for a mostly daily driver and tow vehicle. I do not anticipate pushing the car hard (I'd jump in my RS for that kind of drive) so Vmax and autobahn acceleration is irrelevant, but engaging feel and sound is still valued.
I test drove both and preferred the GTS. The engine is far more responsive (and sounds fantastic - a feature exclusive to the GTS). I found the Turbo to be too laggy (and I'm used to lag having had a 996 and 997 TT in the past), and while it does get moving when it builds a head of steam, it's not so quick as to induce silly giggles with every punch of the gas (see: 911 Turbo). I just don't feel I would dip into the heavy boost that often, so to me a more responsive engine is more interesting to drive.
As far as ride quality, I didn't notice a major difference, but I didn't get that much seat time. The lower ride of the GTS certainly makes it look better, and should give a more buttoned-down feel in theory (a positive to me, even if it trades in a tiny bit of comfort).
In terms of looks, you could option a Turbo to look almost exactly the same as a GTS on the exterior, but this would get quite pricey (aero kit, blacked out trim, etc). Hands down the GTS is cooler looking, I think.
Then we get to the exclusive GTS features, which are what really seal the deal for me. The GTS stitched interior is so much more sporty looking, and I love it (I'm a sucker for unique features of models). I don't care about 18 way adjustments when I can have a interior with green (or red) stitching and seriously bolstered alcantara/leather seats. I also really like the Carmine Red and even the Peridot Metallic, which I'm eagerly awaiting seeing in person before ordering (I may wimp out and do White instead, but got my eye on the green).
I think if you don't care about the GTS exclusive features (interior, namely) then go for a Turbo. A GTS optioned without those features looks goofy to me and seems like a waste (by the same token, a GT3 RS with "sofa" seats). Either go full GTS or skip it and get a Turbo.
In my estimation, which was comparing GTS with a Turbo+aero+trim, the Turbo came out about $15000 more. For that, you lose the interesting colors (Carmine, Peridot), lose the lowered stance, lose the sport exhaust, lose the awesome GTS interior, lose the engine noise and revvy motor, etc. All I can think that you gain is a few hundred pounds in weight and the turbo mill, for better or worse.
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When you drove the Turbo, did you put it in sport mode?
Agree with you on the lag in Normal mode, but I get none in Sport.
The Peridot is a cool color and if that drives you towards the GTS I can completely understand.
Agree with you on the lag in Normal mode, but I get none in Sport.
The Peridot is a cool color and if that drives you towards the GTS I can completely understand.
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I don't own either, but I am hoping to order a GTS soon. Here's my reasoning, which obviously is tailored to my needs so ymmv.
I'm looking for a mostly daily driver and tow vehicle. I do not anticipate pushing the car hard (I'd jump in my RS for that kind of drive) so Vmax and autobahn acceleration is irrelevant, but engaging feel and sound is still valued.
I test drove both and preferred the GTS. The engine is far more responsive (and sounds fantastic - a feature exclusive to the GTS). I found the Turbo to be too laggy (and I'm used to lag having had a 996 and 997 TT in the past), and while it does get moving when it builds a head of steam, it's not so quick as to induce silly giggles with every punch of the gas (see: 911 Turbo). I just don't feel I would dip into the heavy boost that often, so to me a more responsive engine is more interesting to drive.
As far as ride quality, I didn't notice a major difference, but I didn't get that much seat time. The lower ride of the GTS certainly makes it look better, and should give a more buttoned-down feel in theory (a positive to me, even if it trades in a tiny bit of comfort).
In terms of looks, you could option a Turbo to look almost exactly the same as a GTS on the exterior, but this would get quite pricey (aero kit, blacked out trim, etc). Hands down the GTS is cooler looking, I think.
Then we get to the exclusive GTS features, which are what really seal the deal for me. The GTS stitched interior is so much more sporty looking, and I love it (I'm a sucker for unique features of models). I don't care about 18 way adjustments when I can have a interior with green (or red) stitching and seriously bolstered alcantara/leather seats. I also really like the Carmine Red and even the Peridot Metallic, which I'm eagerly awaiting seeing in person before ordering (I may wimp out and do White instead, but got my eye on the green).
I think if you don't care about the GTS exclusive features (interior, namely) then go for a Turbo. A GTS optioned without those features looks goofy to me and seems like a waste (by the same token, a GT3 RS with "sofa" seats). Either go full GTS or skip it and get a Turbo.
In my estimation, which was comparing GTS with a Turbo+aero+trim, the Turbo came out about $15000 more. For that, you lose the interesting colors (Carmine, Peridot), lose the lowered stance, lose the sport exhaust, lose the awesome GTS interior, lose the engine noise and revvy motor, etc. All I can think that you gain is a few hundred pounds in weight and the turbo mill, for better or worse.
I'm looking for a mostly daily driver and tow vehicle. I do not anticipate pushing the car hard (I'd jump in my RS for that kind of drive) so Vmax and autobahn acceleration is irrelevant, but engaging feel and sound is still valued.
I test drove both and preferred the GTS. The engine is far more responsive (and sounds fantastic - a feature exclusive to the GTS). I found the Turbo to be too laggy (and I'm used to lag having had a 996 and 997 TT in the past), and while it does get moving when it builds a head of steam, it's not so quick as to induce silly giggles with every punch of the gas (see: 911 Turbo). I just don't feel I would dip into the heavy boost that often, so to me a more responsive engine is more interesting to drive.
As far as ride quality, I didn't notice a major difference, but I didn't get that much seat time. The lower ride of the GTS certainly makes it look better, and should give a more buttoned-down feel in theory (a positive to me, even if it trades in a tiny bit of comfort).
In terms of looks, you could option a Turbo to look almost exactly the same as a GTS on the exterior, but this would get quite pricey (aero kit, blacked out trim, etc). Hands down the GTS is cooler looking, I think.
Then we get to the exclusive GTS features, which are what really seal the deal for me. The GTS stitched interior is so much more sporty looking, and I love it (I'm a sucker for unique features of models). I don't care about 18 way adjustments when I can have a interior with green (or red) stitching and seriously bolstered alcantara/leather seats. I also really like the Carmine Red and even the Peridot Metallic, which I'm eagerly awaiting seeing in person before ordering (I may wimp out and do White instead, but got my eye on the green).
I think if you don't care about the GTS exclusive features (interior, namely) then go for a Turbo. A GTS optioned without those features looks goofy to me and seems like a waste (by the same token, a GT3 RS with "sofa" seats). Either go full GTS or skip it and get a Turbo.
In my estimation, which was comparing GTS with a Turbo+aero+trim, the Turbo came out about $15000 more. For that, you lose the interesting colors (Carmine, Peridot), lose the lowered stance, lose the sport exhaust, lose the awesome GTS interior, lose the engine noise and revvy motor, etc. All I can think that you gain is a few hundred pounds in weight and the turbo mill, for better or worse.
In all seriousness,what counts is finding the car you feel comfiest in..so kudos to you for getting the ride YOU want
Ps:my turbo is a lot of things..but un-responsive ain't one of them
My pepper is a big time lunger(hence the PCCBs
)Sound wise... ANY gts on start up,next to mine...would be lost in the growl
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GTS is supposed to be a little more fun because:
sports exhaust, and sound composer plays exhaust through the door pillars. My salesman hear turbo buyers complain that the GTS has a better sound despite the turbo being the premium model
lowered suspension
faster than a turbo off the line until the turbo boost kicks in (no lag), acceleration response is supposed to be quicker.
the transmission is supposed to be geared more towards a sportier ride instead of a smoother ride.
In my GTS in the city I accelerate and quickly have to back off the gas. Its too fast to have any fun in city/suburban areas. I don't quite mind having the lesser model because I don't spend much time interstate driving, and the GTS or even the base can get out of the way on highways.
Turbo is a lot faster and a lot more horsepower. Options cost less in the turbo too. PTV+PDCC is a 3,000 up-charge in a turbo, yet 5,000 in a GTS. All leather interior combos also cost a lot less in the Turbo also.
Turbos are hardest hit in the depreciation curve. A GTS and a Turbo have very similar trade in values in KBB for a 5 year old car. Both have bad depreciation compared to a Mercedes G-wagon.
sports exhaust, and sound composer plays exhaust through the door pillars. My salesman hear turbo buyers complain that the GTS has a better sound despite the turbo being the premium model
lowered suspension
faster than a turbo off the line until the turbo boost kicks in (no lag), acceleration response is supposed to be quicker.
the transmission is supposed to be geared more towards a sportier ride instead of a smoother ride.
In my GTS in the city I accelerate and quickly have to back off the gas. Its too fast to have any fun in city/suburban areas. I don't quite mind having the lesser model because I don't spend much time interstate driving, and the GTS or even the base can get out of the way on highways.
Turbo is a lot faster and a lot more horsepower. Options cost less in the turbo too. PTV+PDCC is a 3,000 up-charge in a turbo, yet 5,000 in a GTS. All leather interior combos also cost a lot less in the Turbo also.
Turbos are hardest hit in the depreciation curve. A GTS and a Turbo have very similar trade in values in KBB for a 5 year old car. Both have bad depreciation compared to a Mercedes G-wagon.
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When test driving a GTS,I did not really pay much attention or notice its exhaust,however I do have a Tubi installed..
..though. I can guarantee y'all that on start-up my CT could drown out any GTS
In all fairness,I did notice that it seemed to shift quicker and smoother than I expected
Is the turbo much more expensive..YES
Does it offer more power upgrade possibilities..YES
..though. I can guarantee y'all that on start-up my CT could drown out any GTS
In all fairness,I did notice that it seemed to shift quicker and smoother than I expected
Is the turbo much more expensive..YES
Does it offer more power upgrade possibilities..YES
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I can't seem to find any, but it would only be negligible. Once the turbo kicks in I don't really think there is a comparison. 0-60 times are about a full second difference.
Automobile magazine pointed out many differences.
If you are looking for the faster SUV the turbo will win over the GTS. Having fun driving is all opinions anyway.
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...e_cayenne_gts/
The cool noise of the GTS sort of gimmicky anyway. If you don't mind spending the extra 20k and you already have a turbo you'd likely be happier to keep one.
If you want a great SUV with a lot of style but don't quite want to commit to the high price a turbo fetches, a GTS is a great option.
Automobile magazine pointed out many differences.
If you are looking for the faster SUV the turbo will win over the GTS. Having fun driving is all opinions anyway.
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...e_cayenne_gts/
The cool noise of the GTS sort of gimmicky anyway. If you don't mind spending the extra 20k and you already have a turbo you'd likely be happier to keep one.
If you want a great SUV with a lot of style but don't quite want to commit to the high price a turbo fetches, a GTS is a great option.