just bought myself a swissvax concorso , cleaner fluid medium and car bath...(sorry pyiu , was about to buy from you only when i find out the local dealer was few minutes drive away )

planning to do my car next week, my question is

1. can i use the black swissol terry towel to buff off when removing the wax? of microfibre is necessary?

2. will cleaner fluid medium scratches paint? as in cut away microns of your clear coat like polishes? do i use the white applicator?

3. do i need to store my swissvax in the fridge?

4. my concorso smells different from my friend's 2 years old swissol concorso.. did swissvax changed their formula?



thanks all

 

you can use the Swissvax towel but I prefer a high quality mf towel.

cleaner fluid medium can be applied by hand with an applicator but should be followed with Swissvax cleaner fluid (reg) (its not going to cut away at the clear like Menzerna would or polishing with a rotary)

no need to store your Swissvax in the fridge, just room temp.

is the concorso your friend has pink?

 

so i cannot use the cleaner fluid medium then wax?

i have to use the normal cleaner fluid again? damn..i only bought the mediums... coz the guy told me after medium i can wax them directly


nope...both concorso is yellowish... older one has kinda cinnamon smell... newer one is kinda sweet vanilla smell

 

how about the cleaner fluid proffesional formula... whats the different in that?

my guy doesnt have anymore regular cleaner fluid in stock... he told me to use the pro formula instead... is that okay?

 

The reason the old swissvax Concorso smells like cinnamon and the new one has changed is due to an intellectual property infringement lawsuit between Zymöl and swissvax. A few years back, the courts found swizol/swissol, now swissvax, illegally embezzled Zymöl’s formulas and began formulating their own version of Zymöl. Pick up Zymöl Concours and smell that; a familiar cinnamon and clove scent is prevalent. Zymöl won the lawsuit and swizol/swissol had to change their name to swissvax and change the scent and formulation of all their products.

 

some crazy staff in the detaling world

 

Better than a soap, but seriously stealing intellectual property is just low...

 

I agree. I know some have told me "it's just Business, not personal". Well, there are lines you don't cross; embezzlement is one of them.

 

Oh I'm sure it is business and the rationale those people use until it happens to them.

IP stealing along with a plethora of other very shady and unethical practices that allow people to make millions is nothing new...but when opportunity for money is presented, people's values tend to flitter more so than not. But that just makes you appreciate all the honest and genuine people you meet all the more.

 

In today's world many people have lose their sense of

integrity which implies trustworthiness and incorruptibility to a degree that one is incapable of being false to a trust.

it is a shame what some companies will do for money, I'm not judging this particular case but if indeed is true is a shame, recently, I have seen in other car forums people posting pictures of awesome detail jobs claiming that they were done with the products they sell when their not.

But Moe, I honestly don't see how is possible that they stole such of formula, all do you can find anyone's information form the MSDS, they way you prepare the formula is the secret which is almost impossible to break ? unless you have someone in the inside ?

stradaONE8

100% agree with you, it is a shame I don't find more of those people in my path.

 

It's funny how something as simple as an odor becomes intellectual property. I think both companies have learned a lesson or two from those days gone by. Better to have learned them then, than now. Just remember folks that every story has two sides. None of us know the full story from each side. People only tell you what strengthens their argument.

 

^ Oh, I have no idea about this particular case. I was just making an observation.

 

i forgot but i read somewhere...was it detailing bliss or autopia... but swissol is the original natural high end wax formula.... it was started in swiss...

only when one of the anwanders family sold the formula for mass production to turtle wax .... and zymol was born...

 

On November 9, 2005,
Anwander + Co. AG and Zymol Enterprises Inc. agreed on a written stipulation of settlement of Zymol's pending lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of Connecticut.
The Zymol lawsuit sought unspecified damages and injunctive relief against Anwander for its claims of copyright infringement, trade mark and trade dress violations, and certain state statutory and common law causes. Anwander vigorously opposed the Zymol lawsuit, and was prepared to contest Zymol's claims through trial, and appeals (if necessary). Throughout the litigation, Zymol made broad, sweeping claims about alleged similarities between the Zymol and SWISSOL products, including ingredients (which are completely different), certain written materials contained inside the product containers and the purported similarities between the Zymol and SWISSOL names.
We were advised by our American counsel that Zymol's claims were at best weak, without evidentiary support and without proof of any actual monetary loss by Zymol. We were prepared to take, and respond to, depositions (sworn testimony outside the courtroom) the week of November 7, 2005. The day before the depositions were to begin, the parties began settlement discussions with the assistance of an independent mediator in New York City. After a full day of discussions, the parties reached agreement in principal the evening of November 7. After two additional days of negotiating between the parties and their counsel, the parties reached full and final agreement the evening of November 9. The crital points of the settlement are as follows:
The case is fully and finally resolved, and is withdrawn from the Court;
No money will be paid by Anwander, in any amount, or at any time;
Anwander will retain its use of the SWIZÖL name in the countries where it has always been used - Austria, Germany, Switzerland and the Principality of Liechtenstein;
Anwander will refrain from using certain colors and fragrances in connection with its automotive products (which will have no effect whatsoever on any products' appearance or marketing);
In 1 1/2 years (18 months) Anwander will replace the suffix "ol" of its name SWISSOL outside the four countries where SWIZÖL will continue to be used. Anwander will have four tentative versions within four months, and will have its new name within nine months, all from the date of the agreement.
Anwander regards the settlement as a complete vindication of its position. When the current lawsuit was filed in the summer of 2004, Zymol claimed that it would undergo "substantial and irreparable" damages if its list of imagined wrongs by Anwander were not permanently enjoined. Zymol also sought unspecified actual, compensatory, punitive damages and costs, including attorney fees.
In the end, however, Anwander was able to conclude the litigation merely by agreeing to change the suffix "ol" of its SWISSOL name and certain colours and fragrances. No money was paid by Anwander to Zymol, for any reason, nor will any be paid in the future.
Our counsel advised that the settlement is very favourable to Anwander. We agree. We are looking forward to the selection of a new suffix to the SWISS- prefix, and will certianly keep the basic logo design. In fact, we'd love your suggestions and comments in this transition period. Please call, email, fax your suggestions to Anwander + Co. AG, SWIZÖL Building, Tämperlistrasse 3, CH-8117 Fällanden/Switzerland, tel. +41 840 850 850, fax +41 144 730 45 02, sales@swissol.com.
Anwander will continue to market and distribute the finest car care products in the world. We will aggressively compete with all high-end car care products ... and Zymol.
Anwander + Co. AG

 

I'd double check that source...