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Old Nov 15, 2011 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MoeMistry
What do you think happens when there's paint oxidation? Why does polishing the paint, or compounding, to remove the "dead" paint reveal the healthy and glossy paint?

Alcohol quickly flashes and removes the oils from the polish or compound. I could be wrong, but it's not strong enough, or sticks around long enough, to penetrate the pores of the paint and dry out the paint.

I just never understood why you needed dish soap. By the time you've clayed the car and polished it, you will have removed most, if not all, the wax or sealant previously applied to the car's surface.

I do see your logic in that long-term use of soap is damaging and not the once or twice a year use. But it just goes back to the logic of why use dish soap in the first place.

Hope that makes sense.
A post from TOGWT.

Originally Posted by TOGWT
Paints require oils to feed / nourish them

This is based upon oil-based paint, nitrocellulose lacquer or enamel and older technology paints on classic vehicles that required oils to keep them from becoming too brittle and cracking, water-based high solid/low solvent and urethane paints only require protection
Covered leather upholstery requires regular conditioning

As the top surface has polyurethane finish over pigmented finished leather, creams, oils or conditioners should not be used. Reminder; you are dealing with the finished surface coating and not with the leather itself.
And some other info from someone who has been in the industry for a long time.

1. Modern base/clearcoats do NOT have oils such as used 40 years ago.
2.Dawn does not remove the oils since they are not there.
(a) any surfactant cleaner, such as dish soap will remove oils, waxes, etc under the correct conditions and temperatures, creating the illusion that "oils" have been removed.
(b) what confuses people is the "plastizers" that are in modern polymer based paints. These provide a number of the features of these new paint systems, including some of the "brightness", some of the "elasticity", and such.
3. UVA rays and oxygen, ozone, various acids, other corrosives, create "oxidation".
 
Old Nov 15, 2011 | 09:49 AM
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Sounds like you are not removing all the 106 after you wipe. Totally normal when you work down 106, it can be a PITA to remove. I don't worry about it to much.

You might be using a little to much polish, or trying to polish too big of a area. Some times if it's light, you can just leave it & wax over it. The wax should remove it all.

You can use some kind of cleaner. A detail spray works, IPA works, a polish cleaner, Menzerna makes one, as does Griot's. The thing I don't like about IPA is it doesn't have any carriers/surfactants, or lubricants in it, so you potential to scratch the paint you just polished.
 
Old Nov 15, 2011 | 02:10 PM
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If the polish is difficult to remove then you may not be breaking it down completely. Just another factor to consider.
 
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