I've spent alot of time researching these 2 vehicles lately and I feel like you can't win.

If you get a 360 you can get a true manual so you dont deal with hydrolic pump and pre-mature clutch wear problems but you have to change timing belts. If you get the 430 you can never find them in stick, but you dont have to worry about the timing belts (because there timing chains).

Then you look at the lambo gallardo and there all e-gears and deal with the same problems.

I would love to get one of the 3 as my next car but I feel like finding a manual 430 or lambo gallardo is going to be impossible and I definitely dont want to deal with the timing belt issues (how many miles before that has to be replaced?)

I have been doing tons of research on here as well as other exotic forums. If you have any info to share it would be greatly appreciated.

If I get one I would be daily driving it , work is 20 miles round trip per day.

I am leaning towards getting a 991 carerra S though just for the ease of getting the car versus hunting.

my only concerns are the timing belts, e-gear/F1 trans and their bad pumps and pre-mature clutch wear and the fact that the clutches are so expensive to replace, even though I could theoretically do it myself as I have done many clutches before at the shop.

thanks guys !

 

Idk what your looking for but I see well optioned 430s and G cars with 6speeds

Realistically, how many miles are you putting on it? the 360 is pretty bullet proof compared to a 355 and 348 especially.


In my professional opinion, there is ferrari then there is everything else. Drive a F car back to back with a lambo and there is no comparison in the passion and essence of a ferrari.

Btw, some can get 80k out of an F1/egear clutch some people go thru them in 5k. Its all in how much 3mph driving you do. Track only cars dont even wear the clutch.

 

I was looking locally within 200 miles give or take of NYC

most I saw were e-gear /F1.

Idk 10-12k a year maybe less.

 

As connoisseur was saying,
It is all in how hard you drive your F-1.. If your constantly giving the clutch a heavy load then yea, you're going to run into some wear problems. But as long as your not sitting in stop and go traffic every day and not driving in reverse up a hill I think you'll be alright..

As far as belts go.. the 360's are considerably reliable and longevity is something you can maximize with them.. they do need their swaps for general preventative maintenance.. but as long as your not buying a 360 that's 13 years old with the original belts in it.. you should be in good shape..You wont be dumping $10k into it for an engine out service, thats out with the old 355..just an annual and you'll be ready.

People sometimes loose the idea that a Ferrari isn't just a purchase.. its an investment.. you cant go into looking for one thats had all the service in hopes that you wont have to service it.. Money will be spent on taking care of it.. Nature of the beast...

430's are a different story opposed to 360's.. as you mentioned, chain driven.. so that's nice. We have anywhere from 10-15 430's at anytime and only one or two are sticks... they are harder to find, but they are out there..

the G I always think of as the rich kids tuner car!!. The folks that are Lambo enthusiasts love to tune, customize, throw TT kits on, and make anything but stock.. You have the ones that like to keep it stock, but I would say mostly.. tastefull mods are always desired. Same problems with F-1 style clutch however the e-gear seems to be as desirable as 6-speed.. similar to 430's.. takes a little time, but they are out there..

I would have to agree with the experience situation..
As i mentioned, "lambo" guys like the mods... Ferrari guys keep it factory.. sure youll see the ocassional body kit, wheels, or tubi exhaust.. but out of the 60 F cars we have in stock.. The majority are just that... stock. The ride is unlike anything else... a blend between super car tasteful accents, inside and out... comfortable, yet aggressive and quality unmatched.. When you drive a Lambo.. you know you're driving a lambo.. tight and demanding. More options than you can think of to stir up power but you're spending the experience driving keeping that power in check... Ferrari.. elegant... powerful.. relax when you want to.. be involved when you need to (especially with 6-speed).. sharp and crisp responsiveness (goes for the G too), but enough control that you can feel comfortable looking off to the left or the right at the scenery when appropriate...

Just two very different animals.. An elegant horse.. or a powerful bull.. both share attributes, but there are things tat neither share...

 

^ awesome thank you ! I would be less scared if I were buying it new , I guess my concerns are more what the P.O. did to the vehicle lol

 

Honestly, 9 times out of 10 the people who own these machines are passionate about them, and care for them accordingly.. You do need to be cautious of the 1 or 2 owners out there that need to sell because they need the money and theyve skipped out on service for the last 2 or 3 years. But dont fear buying used.. actually thats why we do so well.. Let someone else take the depressiacion hit and get a machine that has 5-10k miles on it and keep the savings.. especially with what your target market is.. 360's and 430's are stable in value.. If they weren't you wouldn't see 02 and 03 360's for over $100k... awesome value remains..

Just be sure to get a PPI and service records.. service records are huge!

Like I always say.. service history and receipts don't add to the value of the car.. it helps justify the value

 

I drive a 2004 Gallardo and i bought it with 6k miles! 6 month ago... i already put 5k miles on it and 0 problems.... my car is Egear and it's amazing... i'm coming from a 997TT and i don't regret it at all... whenever i have to do the clutch i'm just gonna update it for the new OEM clutch (the F version) that clutch should last 30+ miles if you know how to drive Egear... how do you drive Egear? very simple treat the car just like it was Manual, don't downshift too much if it's not necessary, avoid reverse in hills, go to neutral when the car is not moving.....

I'm honestly very happy with my Gallardo and just how Bryce said it Gallardo owners love to modify the car.... i did some OEM modifications like:

-OEM GPS
-NEWER OEM STEERING WHEEL
-LARINI EXHAUST (MUFLERS AND CATS)
-Caliisto rims (OEM RIMS FOR NEWER MODELS)

I honestly think you should get a Gallardo if you don't want to spend too much money in maintenance... just make sure you get a very clean Gallardo LOW MILES!!

 

Great comments. I've been watching the 360 / 430 market for a while now. CNC always has nice looking cars. I will definitely reach out to you when I'm ready.

 

absolutely.. we always have fresh inventory moving in and out.. every day really. When your ready, let me know.. if we don't have it, we have the means to acquire what you want...

 

Six speed 430s are out there. Penske in NJ has an 06 Spider. A friend of mine just bought one in Florida. You just have to look.

 

I have been wondering the same thing but I am maybe 2 years away from my purchase, I plan to get a 360 first and then drive it for a year before getting a Gallardo, everything I have read seems to show a Gallardo as more reliable since it shares the Audi power train, but it and a Ferrari are different animals.
I have drive the Ferrari 360, 430,430 Scud and 458
The Lambo Gallardo and Superleggera and Audi R8
My favorite is the Gallardo hands down.

 

What sports cars have you owned before/currently?

When looking for any of these cars, you need to do a national search and not just within 200 miles of you. First off, while I have no data to back this up, I'd bet my lunch there are higher ratios of flappy paddle trannies sold near not just the biggest city in the country where you live, but within 200 miles you have many of the largest, most badly congested urban centers in the country (Boston, Philly, DC, etc). Secondly, these are just plain rare cars so to find the options you want, including things as simple as color, you really need to be looking nationally.

I personally went through a heavy shopping phase for all three of these cars myself a few years ago (but ended up sticking with and upgrading my 911 Turbo instead) and a manual was a requirement for me. While 90% of the cars are girly boxes, there are still a good number of manuals that come up on the market. Just expect to pay a premium, be willing to buy long-distance, and be ready to snap one up right away if you find it (i.e. have a credit card waiting by the phone to put down a $5,000 deposit, and the rest of your financing arranged).

I drove both the 360 and 430 back to back in a 50/50 mix of city/highway traffic for about 30 miles each. I pushed my Turbo on the way to the Ferrari dealer knowing I'd be pushing their cars, so that way I'd have a good back-to-back comparison. Personally, I found the 360 to be way too slow in comparison to my Turbo, so that was ruled out. I tried to fit in a Gallardo, but at 6'4 250, it was impossible, so that went off the list (and was later replaced with an Aston Martin V12 Vantage S). So that left just the 430. It had the same power level as my Turbo (stock X50, at altitude), so that was a wash. The handling felt lighter and more direct in the 430, but since the Turbo is AWD, that's not surprising. Braking was a wash too. When I jumped in my Turbo to drive home, I again pushed it to get the comparison, and there was nothing major about the 430 that made me want it more than my Turbo. But it was definitely an outstanding car I know I would have been very happy to drive every day.

Why do you list the 991 Carrera S as an option other than just ease of buying (i.e. why not a GT3 or Turbo)? Would you buy new or used? I can only guess you're including it because a new one is at the same price point as the other cars? I've never driven a 991 S, but I have driven a 997 S, which is a pretty similar car. Its handling is awesome, as I have heard the 991 is too. The feel of the 430 isn't really that different. The power is good and pretty similar to a 360, but significantly less than either the 430 or Gallardo. I would put a 997 Turbo (or GT3, GT3RS or GT2) on your list WAY before a 991 of any type, though the second two cars in parens have a good bit harsher ride than the 430 (similar to the regular GT3), and just a bit harsher than the Gallardo.

And I would have to wholeheartedly disagree. I can't comment on Ferrari/Lambo back to back, only on Ferrari/Porsche back to back, as well as driving other high performance cars, and the Ferraris didn't have any "magic" or other special feeling I haven't felt in other cars. Yes, the 430 had the best overall handling feel of any car I'd driven until then, but it was only minutely better than some other RWD sports cars I've driven. And the most telling point for me: When driving my Turbo home I didn't feel a single pang of regret I wasn't behind the wheel of something else.

P.S. I'm leaving the 458 out of this as it's not part of this thread, but from everything I've heard, it's pretty significantly better than a 430.

 

In the last wk, I've driven and nice, low mile 04' 430 and 08 Murci. They are gorgeous and stoplight/cars&coffee attention getters. Wouldn't have either of them if I had to give up the 911tt for it to happen. The Porsche is just so much more engaging to drive, feels faster than both (though I'm sure the Murci is faster) and is more usable/comfortable.

 

The 430's were made from 05 onward, 04 were 360's. I'm intersted in the Gallardo Balboni, 6M and RWD.

 

overall

GALLARDO/430 > 360