i love the 600hp !!!!!!

 

A fully defeatable PSM is a great idea imho. Most of us aren't Kimi. It would be nice to have an occasional mistake not punished severely. (esp on the street)

 

The GT2 is my daily. Drive it with respect, and you won't be punished.

Traction management devices just gives you a false sense of security and raises the speed of the inevitable crash. That is all it does, or have you not seen pictures of wrecked CGT and 997 GT3's yet, TC and all.

 

We've beaten this horse to death before. I think a computer running four brake pedals can diminish the odds of a crash (and apparently Porsche agrees with me.) When I did my first track day in a 996 turbo, I made a newbie mistake (don't lift in the middle of corner) and the PSM "hand of god" prevented a spin. There wasn't a false sense of security prior to that, just a driver error that ended in a valuable lesson in 911 driving (with a completely undamaged car to drive home from my first DE). As I progressed, inability to turn it off completely became an annoyance (unable to rotate the car using trail braking). A fully defeatable PSM serves both the newbie and the experienced at the track. It also diminishes the odds of disaster on the street. No technology is foolproof, but this technology lowers the probability of a crash. Only a fool would drive in the manner you describe, continually testing how much of an error the PSM can save him from. A fool can crash any car (PSM or not), this technology lowers the odds that the average driver with average skill will get hurt.

 

1. Porsche stuck PSM in the GT2 because too many of its buyers couldn't drive if their lives depended on it.

2. I don't know how you could have been going fast enough as a rookie to needed PSM. I have never seen it in the organization that I run with. The instructors keep a really tight leash on rookies with high HP cars.

3. Not much effort is needed to google up crashed CGT and GT3RS, TC or not.

The only reason why GT2 has been now stuck with PSM is because most people equate their ability to buy it with their ability to drive it. And unfortunately, a less aggressive diff (to accomondate the PSM) and a less raw "GT2" is the end result.

Whatever, I am happy with my GT2. And Porsche should care what I think, since well, I actually have one.

What's next? NAV, heated seats, sunroof, and heated powered cupholders? Oops, already there.

Yeah, "GT2."

Right.

 

Do you think the CGT incident had anything to do with that decision?

Just wondering, because I here about the case all the time at the track. I also just read the article in SCM about the settlement.

thoughts?

btw, I agree with the initial comment about needing skill to handle a car at the limit. Are the newest F1 cars equiped with any "driver aids"? I wonder because they maybe the best drivers out there.

 

Can't comment on the CGT incident.

As far as the F1 drivers go, I am pretty sure they CAN drive those cars with traction system completely off without killing themselves, unlike the ability to write checks = ability to drive crowd.

 

Two reasons for PSM:

1. Your governnment (USA) requires all cars to have PSM or similar by 2012 and Porsche have already said they will be fully comply before 2008. [media]http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/430168_web.pdf[/media]

2. PSM, as long as you can switch it off when required, is a great tool in any car to cover unforseen circumstances. My Ruf 996 GT2 has 630bhp and only runs on Corsa track tyres even in the rain and cold here in English winters. It will snap sideways very easily and also reacts badly to some road conditions. Can I catch it, yes, so far, but for road use in adverse conditions would I like to have PSM, yes I would. When driving on the road, your responsibility is also to other road-users and in that context, it's better to have electronics to assist you whatever your level of driver skill. For the track it's a different matter.

My 997GT2 will have PSM and I'm very glad it does. It will stay switched on for the road and will be switched off for the track, in the same way as I operate my M3 CSL. No-one complains about Ferraris sophisticated multi-stage control system on the steering wheel, it get huge praise from everyone in fact.

My 2p (or 4c at todays FX rates).

Guy

 

Hmm... not sure how you could possibly know anything about our driving skills, experience, or financial position but based on most of your posts, this would seem like the perfect avatar for you:

 

I am impressed by your reply. Just can't help yourself getting personal, huh?

Unless you have unlimited funds, you are putting everyone and yourself at risk by timing your laps and voiding your road going insurance. Writing a check for the other guy's balled up car is one thing, writing a liability check for a now dead or very badly injured guy in a balled up car is another.

I don't need to know anything about your driving skill to know that if you have never driven on the track with it off, a spectacular crash awaits. I have seen it way too many times and wasted too much of my track time waiting for these god's gift to driving people being towed off the track and rushed to the hospital. Seen it at Laguna, at Button Willow, at TH, at Phoenix, at Vegas, and at SP.

"I turned off DSC/PSM/insert your favorite driver's aid here, I don't know what happened!?"

 

I apologize. We also gave the world TPM because of a bunch of morons who couldn't be bothered to check their TP and ended up flipping their POS Exploders.

I guess I just subscribe to the either you can or you cannot philosophy. And if you can, then there is no need for it, and the extra R&D money can go somewhere else.

I actually had a lot of fun driving the GT2 in the rain a few weeks ago when it was raining for hte first time in months. And I got the GT2 because it actually requires some skills to not kill oneself in it, unlike the so many autopilot cars on sale right now.

It sounds like you don't need it, especially if you drive a GT2 in the UK without any issues.

 

Sorry, I just couldn’t resist after reading some of your comments. Lighten up man… We’re just a bunch of car guys enjoying the same hobby.

 

Look, I am sure the 997 GT2 is a hell of a car, and it's got fast ring time to prove it.

But, I am disappointed that Porsche caved and put PSM in it. They probably could have gotten some kind of exemption like they did with the sunroof thing on the GT3RS, but they chose not to.

It does at least have defetable PSM, but with PSM comes les aggressive diff. Unlike the creaky noisy diff of the 996 GT2. Which BTW, is teh awesome on the track.

That's all. It is not a car for me. It by no means mean that it sucks.

Now the E90 M3, that car does suck.

 

One last thing, my complaint about the rennlist lap timer still stands.

As it stands, only very few auto insurance carrier would even underwrite untimed, structured HPDE.

It is totally irresponsible to others and their families. Yet, the chest beatings continues day and night there.

Timing your lap will always void your auto liability insurance. Forget about the balled up cars.

A balled up human is rather expensive. The grieving family of that said balled up human is even more expensive. Yet, if you don't follow their great example and post your lap times, you apparently "gots no cred" there.