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The motor isnt the only thing, sit in a Noble and you'll see that it's essentially a kit with a top on it.
You are missing the point here, many people can make cars in smalle numbers to sell to a few people here and there, look at all the custom car makers that make one off's and sell a few cars here and there. Porsche made a run of them too called the CGT. I'm talking about cars sold worldwide year to year in large quantities that arent kit cars and piece mealed together.
Who cares about what is Diverse, for all the diversity the UK cant even keep a manufacturer that can run itself in the country. The worlds most successful motorsports industry? Where did that come from, and what does it mean? Successful how?
You are missing the point here, many people can make cars in smalle numbers to sell to a few people here and there, look at all the custom car makers that make one off's and sell a few cars here and there. Porsche made a run of them too called the CGT. I'm talking about cars sold worldwide year to year in large quantities that arent kit cars and piece mealed together.
Who cares about what is Diverse, for all the diversity the UK cant even keep a manufacturer that can run itself in the country. The worlds most successful motorsports industry? Where did that come from, and what does it mean? Successful how?
As for automotive Diversity,having a wider range of car brands cerate's competition,competition forces car makers to be at their best in performance,quality and design if they want to be respected/sell, the real winner is the consumer. Why the hell do you think EUROPEAN (GERMAN
)cars are always at the top,because our standards are higher then anyone else's. Hell even Ford European is better then Ford USA SORRY, just Compare the engine options and interior build/design of a European Ford Focus Vs a American Ford Focus ,the Euro Focus has a built better exterior/interior,has more engine options etc. Just compare a Alfa Romeo 147,Audi A3,VW GOLF,Seat LEON,Renault Clio Euro Ford Focus etc,which base American sports is better than any of the base model small cars,i listed, in every category,NON,the only competition is from the Far East, with cars such the Honda Civic,Mazda 3,Nissan Micro. So yes variety is important,thats why i keep saying people can ***** and moan about the GTR vs the Turbo,other than performance the GTR and Turbo are different cars,either way its also going to make Porsche create a Better Turbo or revive the a GT like the 928 (mostly likely based on the coming Panamara) and Nissan's GTR will have to step up again,i can buy both so i dont care LOL. Next will be talking about the M-Benz SL65 Black or the coming Lotus V8/V10 etc.
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My point is the the Noble isn't a Kit car in Europe and so other parts of the world.
As for automotive Diversity,having a wider range of car brands cerate's competition,competition forces car makers to be at their best in performance,quality and design if they want to be respected/sell, the real winner is the consumer. Why the hell do you think EUROPEAN (GERMAN)cars are always at the top,because our standards are higher then anyone else's. Hell even Ford European is better then Ford USA SORRY, just Compare the engine options and interior build/design of a European Ford Focus Vs a American Ford Focus ,the Euro Focus has a built better exterior/interior,has more engine options etc. Just compare a Alfa Romeo 147,Audi A3,VW GOLF,Seat LEON,Renault Clio Euro Ford Focus etc,which base American sports is better than any of the base model small cars,i listed, in every category,NON,the only competition is from the Far East, with cars such the Honda Civic,Mazda 3,Nissan Micro.
So yes variety is important,thats why i keep saying people can ***** and moan about the GTR vs the Turbo,other than performance the GTR and Turbo are different cars,either way its also going to make Porsche create a Better Turbo or revive the a GT like the 928 (mostly likely based on the coming Panamara) and Nissan's GTR will have to step up again,i can buy both so i dont care LOL. Next will be talking about the M-Benz SL65 Black or the coming Lotus V8/V10 etc.
As for automotive Diversity,having a wider range of car brands cerate's competition,competition forces car makers to be at their best in performance,quality and design if they want to be respected/sell, the real winner is the consumer. Why the hell do you think EUROPEAN (GERMAN
)cars are always at the top,because our standards are higher then anyone else's. Hell even Ford European is better then Ford USA SORRY, just Compare the engine options and interior build/design of a European Ford Focus Vs a American Ford Focus ,the Euro Focus has a built better exterior/interior,has more engine options etc. Just compare a Alfa Romeo 147,Audi A3,VW GOLF,Seat LEON,Renault Clio Euro Ford Focus etc,which base American sports is better than any of the base model small cars,i listed, in every category,NON,the only competition is from the Far East, with cars such the Honda Civic,Mazda 3,Nissan Micro. So yes variety is important,thats why i keep saying people can ***** and moan about the GTR vs the Turbo,other than performance the GTR and Turbo are different cars,either way its also going to make Porsche create a Better Turbo or revive the a GT like the 928 (mostly likely based on the coming Panamara) and Nissan's GTR will have to step up again,i can buy both so i dont care LOL. Next will be talking about the M-Benz SL65 Black or the coming Lotus V8/V10 etc.
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Kid,get a dictionary and look for the definition of Arrogance. Before you make silly statements. End of discussion.
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Why don't you get a text book and look up grammar and run-on sentences. That might help you.
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Um, come Thursday. Seriously. I'm dead serious. Not dying serious, but dead. Seriously, really serious. There's serious car meet on Thursday at the shop and I'm serious.
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My point is the the Noble isn't a Kit car in Europe and so other parts of the world.
As for automotive Diversity,having a wider range of car brands cerate's competition,competition forces car makers to be at their best in performance,quality and design if they want to be respected/sell, the real winner is the consumer. Why the hell do you think EUROPEAN (GERMAN)cars are always at the top,because our standards are higher then anyone else's. Hell even Ford European is better then Ford USA SORRY, just Compare the engine options and interior build/design of a European Ford Focus Vs a American Ford Focus ,the Euro Focus has a built better exterior/interior,has more engine options etc. Just compare a Alfa Romeo 147,Audi A3,VW GOLF,Seat LEON,Renault Clio Euro Ford Focus etc,which base American sports is better than any of the base model small cars,i listed, in every category,NON,the only competition is from the Far East, with cars such the Honda Civic,Mazda 3,Nissan Micro.
So yes variety is important,thats why i keep saying people can ***** and moan about the GTR vs the Turbo,other than performance the GTR and Turbo are different cars,either way its also going to make Porsche create a Better Turbo or revive the a GT like the 928 (mostly likely based on the coming Panamara) and Nissan's GTR will have to step up again,i can buy both so i dont care LOL. Next will be talking about the M-Benz SL65 Black or the coming Lotus V8/V10 etc.
As for automotive Diversity,having a wider range of car brands cerate's competition,competition forces car makers to be at their best in performance,quality and design if they want to be respected/sell, the real winner is the consumer. Why the hell do you think EUROPEAN (GERMAN
)cars are always at the top,because our standards are higher then anyone else's. Hell even Ford European is better then Ford USA SORRY, just Compare the engine options and interior build/design of a European Ford Focus Vs a American Ford Focus ,the Euro Focus has a built better exterior/interior,has more engine options etc. Just compare a Alfa Romeo 147,Audi A3,VW GOLF,Seat LEON,Renault Clio Euro Ford Focus etc,which base American sports is better than any of the base model small cars,i listed, in every category,NON,the only competition is from the Far East, with cars such the Honda Civic,Mazda 3,Nissan Micro. So yes variety is important,thats why i keep saying people can ***** and moan about the GTR vs the Turbo,other than performance the GTR and Turbo are different cars,either way its also going to make Porsche create a Better Turbo or revive the a GT like the 928 (mostly likely based on the coming Panamara) and Nissan's GTR will have to step up again,i can buy both so i dont care LOL. Next will be talking about the M-Benz SL65 Black or the coming Lotus V8/V10 etc.
The Euro Focus??? HAHAHAH. That's because a sport version of a Focus gets laughed at in the states. They make sporty versions of the Focus overseas because people actually race them in Europe. In the states the Focus is an econo car PERIOD. You'll see lots of tiny little sport cars in Europe that would never sell in the US. I am betting the mustang isnt a big seller over there, well it's gigantic here. There are more mustangs than you can shake a stick at. It has everything to do with the demographics and nothing at all to do with standards. They sell what they can where they can. I beleive Asia has a huge Ford presence as well.
I agree that competition drives improvement, but as an enthusiast I'm not one to allow magazines to contradict themselves every other word and just beleive anything like a sucker. Because then the media runs the world and having dealt heavily with media before I know how clueless and full of agenda they can be. So when it comes down to it I know how to sort through the b.s. and there is plenty of evidence of it going around. To me a real enthusiast goes beyond just reading magazines, it involves knowing enough about the subject to formulate your own opinion.
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The Euro Focus??? HAHAHAH. That's because a sport version of a Focus gets laughed at in the states. They make sporty versions of the Focus overseas because people actually race them in Europe.In the states the Focus is an econo car PERIOD. You'll see lots of tiny little sport cars in Europe that would never sell in the US.I am betting the mustang isnt a big seller over there, well it's gigantic here. There are more mustangs than you can shake a stick at. It has everything to do with the demographics and nothing at all to do with standards. It has everything to do with the demographics and nothing at all to do with standards.I agree that competition drives improvement, but as an enthusiast I'm not one to allow magazines to contradict themselves every other word and just beleive anything like a sucker.Because then the media runs the world and having dealt heavily with media before I know how clueless and full of agenda they can be. So when it comes down to it I know how to sort through the b.s. and there is plenty of evidence of it going around. To me a real enthusiast goes beyond just reading magazines, it involves knowing enough about the subject to formulate your own opinion.
Oh Please,American buys more Focus's then anyone,yet they have the least vairty (no diesels,no convertable coupe,hybrid)however they also buy as many Imports such as the Acura TSX,Honda Civic Type-S,Mitsubishi Evolution,Nissan 350Z,VW Golf R32 sports sports compacts. And you say they would'nt buy a domestic Sports compact like a Sporty 09 Ford Focus RS with 350bhp with awd drive-train and they would laughed to the ground. How smart is that,NOT smart at all. And at the end of the day Ford bringing more models would take a bite $$$$$$ from cars like the EVO,STI even VW Golf GTI/R32. Many of Imports sell in high numbers and highly popular with young people.
You'll see lots of tiny little sport cars in Europe that would never sell in the US.
As for smaller cars and even tiny cars in many European countries,you see many of them,they are small because they have been designed to be fuel efficient,easy to drive/park in cities that have big populations and little space. However the majority of the cars on the road are not tiny they are Compact (Audi A4) to Medium (BMW 5 series) size. As for small/tiny cars selling in the US,some of them they would sell many wouldn't,it just depends who small the car is and the state or town/city you live in. Driving a very tiny car like Smart in New York makes more sense than Driving a Hummer H1 in New York.
I am betting the mustang isnt a big seller over there, well it's gigantic here. There are more mustangs than you can shake a stick at. It has everything to do with the demographics and nothing at all to do with standards.
Ford Europe/DE doesnt sell the current Mustang in Germany or Western Europe,but if you want a Mustang one,Roush UK sell then version as the 420RE (its been featured on Topgear) and even the GT500. Only down side for non UK buyer is the UK pound is very Strong,so you pay extra.
Personally i dont think it would be a big hit or a complete failure. Pros=A retro style, not common,and it would be a bargain,V6=E14,000,300bhp GT base=E16000 and GT500=E27,000. Cons=the interior is just to cheap center dash board,it could be much lighter making it faster and better handing.
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The Euro Focus??? HAHAHAH. That's because a sport version of a Focus gets laughed at in the states.
Oh Please,American buys more Focus's then anyone,yet they have the least vairty (no diesels,no convertable coupe,hybrid)however they also buy as many Imports such as the Acura TSX,Honda Civic Type-S,Mitsubishi Evolution,Nissan 350Z,VW Golf R32 sports sports compacts. And you say they would'nt buy a domestic Sports compact like a Sporty 09 Ford Focus RS with 350bhp with awd drive-train and they would laughed to the ground. How smart is that,NOT smart at all. And at the end of the day Ford bringing more models would take a bite $$$$$$ from cars like the EVO,STI even VW Golf GTI/R32. Many of Imports sell in high numbers and highly popular with young people.
Precisely why I said people buy the Focus in the states for ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!!!! They dont buy it for sport. I see a lot of sport compacts on your list, NONE of them are domestic to the US. The US sport compacts just cant compete here. Too many other options. The Neon,Cobalt, Focus etc dont have the following here in the compact sport cars like the Evos, STI's, etc. They have all tried and none of them are big hits.
They make sporty versions of the Focus overseas because people actually race them in Europe.
Okay so are your saying people in State's don't race their cars,not true at all and you know it. The majority of people with the best performance cars hardly ever even drive their cars to its potential or race on track.
RACING IS WHAT SELLS SPORTS CARS!!!!! Or at least that the philosophy that our car makers have taken. Mustang, Corvette, Viper, GTO, G6, CTS-V, Ford GT and the list goes on. Im not talking about DE's.
You'll see lots of tiny little sport cars in Europe that would never sell in the US.
As for smaller cars and even tiny cars in many European countries,you see many of them,they are small because they have been designed to be fuel efficient,easy to drive/park in cities that have big populations and little space. However the majority of the cars on the road are not tiny they are Compact (Audi A4) to Medium (BMW 5 series) size. As for small/tiny cars selling in the US,some of them they would sell some wouldn't,it just depends who small the car is and the state or town/city you live in. Driving a very tiny car like Smart in New York makes more sense than Driving a Hummer H1 in New York.
I am betting the mustang isnt a big seller over there, well it's gigantic here. There are more mustangs than you can shake a stick at. It has everything to do with the demographics and nothing at all to do with standards.
Ford Europe/DE doesnt sell the current Mustang in Germany or Western Europe,but if you want a Mustang one,Roush UK sell then version as the 420RE (its been featured on Topgear) and even the GT500. Only down side for non UK buyer is the UK pound is very Strong,so you pay extra.
Personally i dont think it would be a big hit or a complete failure. Pros=A retro style, not common,and it would be a bargain,V6=E14,000,300bhp GT base=E16000 and GT500=E27,000. Cons=the interior is just to cheap center dash board,it could be much lighter making it faster and better handing.
"It has everything to do with the demographics and nothing at all to do with standards."
Its has everything to do with both and more,this applies to every car maker not just Ford,. But i can assure you on the other side of the Ocean Quality is very import,wheither its a small like a Mini Cooper/Mazda 3 or a Luxury Limo like a Maybach.
"They sell what they can where they can."'
LOL,thats like saying ill go to the middle of the Sahara Desert and ill sell yachts to drive there because i want to can.
WHAT? You must have misunderstood. They sell what they can where people will buy it!!!!!!
Oh Please,American buys more Focus's then anyone,yet they have the least vairty (no diesels,no convertable coupe,hybrid)however they also buy as many Imports such as the Acura TSX,Honda Civic Type-S,Mitsubishi Evolution,Nissan 350Z,VW Golf R32 sports sports compacts. And you say they would'nt buy a domestic Sports compact like a Sporty 09 Ford Focus RS with 350bhp with awd drive-train and they would laughed to the ground. How smart is that,NOT smart at all. And at the end of the day Ford bringing more models would take a bite $$$$$$ from cars like the EVO,STI even VW Golf GTI/R32. Many of Imports sell in high numbers and highly popular with young people.
Precisely why I said people buy the Focus in the states for ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!!!! They dont buy it for sport. I see a lot of sport compacts on your list, NONE of them are domestic to the US. The US sport compacts just cant compete here. Too many other options. The Neon,Cobalt, Focus etc dont have the following here in the compact sport cars like the Evos, STI's, etc. They have all tried and none of them are big hits.
They make sporty versions of the Focus overseas because people actually race them in Europe.
Okay so are your saying people in State's don't race their cars,not true at all and you know it. The majority of people with the best performance cars hardly ever even drive their cars to its potential or race on track.
RACING IS WHAT SELLS SPORTS CARS!!!!! Or at least that the philosophy that our car makers have taken. Mustang, Corvette, Viper, GTO, G6, CTS-V, Ford GT and the list goes on. Im not talking about DE's.
You'll see lots of tiny little sport cars in Europe that would never sell in the US.
As for smaller cars and even tiny cars in many European countries,you see many of them,they are small because they have been designed to be fuel efficient,easy to drive/park in cities that have big populations and little space. However the majority of the cars on the road are not tiny they are Compact (Audi A4) to Medium (BMW 5 series) size. As for small/tiny cars selling in the US,some of them they would sell some wouldn't,it just depends who small the car is and the state or town/city you live in. Driving a very tiny car like Smart in New York makes more sense than Driving a Hummer H1 in New York.
I am betting the mustang isnt a big seller over there, well it's gigantic here. There are more mustangs than you can shake a stick at. It has everything to do with the demographics and nothing at all to do with standards.
Ford Europe/DE doesnt sell the current Mustang in Germany or Western Europe,but if you want a Mustang one,Roush UK sell then version as the 420RE (its been featured on Topgear) and even the GT500. Only down side for non UK buyer is the UK pound is very Strong,so you pay extra.
Personally i dont think it would be a big hit or a complete failure. Pros=A retro style, not common,and it would be a bargain,V6=E14,000,300bhp GT base=E16000 and GT500=E27,000. Cons=the interior is just to cheap center dash board,it could be much lighter making it faster and better handing.
"It has everything to do with the demographics and nothing at all to do with standards."
Its has everything to do with both and more,this applies to every car maker not just Ford,. But i can assure you on the other side of the Ocean Quality is very import,wheither its a small like a Mini Cooper/Mazda 3 or a Luxury Limo like a Maybach.
"They sell what they can where they can."'
LOL,thats like saying ill go to the middle of the Sahara Desert and ill sell yachts to drive there because i want to can.
WHAT? You must have misunderstood. They sell what they can where people will buy it!!!!!!
Like I said all manufacturers sell cars based on what the population in that area will buy. Ford knows it has a better chance of selling a Mustang here than it does a sporty focus, so the focus remains an economy car. Dont even try for a second to think that cars that are popular in Europe could automatically be successful in the states. Plenty have tried and failed. It's a completely different market, though overalapping in some areas, but not nearly as much as you'd like to think.
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tests like all these in magazines are just entertainment and nothing more IMHO and ive no axe to grind with any of this. i love seeing any fast car do what it was meant to. people just need to keep in mind that they all want to sell copy so anything that makes for exciting reading or controversy is best for everyone. its not life and death matters they are discussing. its just meant to be interesting fun.
am i the only one missing something with all this somewhere though? theres so much contradicting accounts and evidence surrounding this new car that its getting confusing.
i was excited to see this car, i have the biggest soft spot for the R32 ever but im beginning to get a sort of smoke and mirrors feeling these days over this GTR, that its all somehow staged and its building up a hype thats only going to create disappointment and a bunch of stop light drag racers in them and its detracting from my thoughts on this car and its release.
curiously in that evo article the z06 beats the gtr and was really starting to open up a time gap which would have only been increased had they run to 150 (assuming removed limiter on the gtr).
everyone seems to accept that this was to be expected and that for the gtr to match this company is a badge of honour in itself. being close was as good as winning given the benchmark the z06 sets.
HOWEVER......autocar had a drag race off with a z06 and a 997 GT2 and its was spectacularly not close at all. the GT2 walked it every single time. the video is here though im sure you have all seen it:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb4xJRMrAwA[/media]
not only does it seem that theres so many outcomes to the same test that you cant make much of any but it would have been an interesting read if evo had used a gt2 in each test instead of the respective cars, especially given the more direct comparison between the two (twin turbo and awd). given gt2 took 10 seconds off the gt3 at nurburgring i think it may have slain the gtr rather easily. the lack of any tests such as this would probably suggest most magazines already know what would happen and having a porsche pummel a GTR doesnt make for as exciting headlines.
then again maybe porsche know the GT2 would loose and so wont offer it up for review.
am i the only one missing something with all this somewhere though? theres so much contradicting accounts and evidence surrounding this new car that its getting confusing.
i was excited to see this car, i have the biggest soft spot for the R32 ever but im beginning to get a sort of smoke and mirrors feeling these days over this GTR, that its all somehow staged and its building up a hype thats only going to create disappointment and a bunch of stop light drag racers in them and its detracting from my thoughts on this car and its release.
curiously in that evo article the z06 beats the gtr and was really starting to open up a time gap which would have only been increased had they run to 150 (assuming removed limiter on the gtr).
everyone seems to accept that this was to be expected and that for the gtr to match this company is a badge of honour in itself. being close was as good as winning given the benchmark the z06 sets.
HOWEVER......autocar had a drag race off with a z06 and a 997 GT2 and its was spectacularly not close at all. the GT2 walked it every single time. the video is here though im sure you have all seen it:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb4xJRMrAwA[/media]
not only does it seem that theres so many outcomes to the same test that you cant make much of any but it would have been an interesting read if evo had used a gt2 in each test instead of the respective cars, especially given the more direct comparison between the two (twin turbo and awd). given gt2 took 10 seconds off the gt3 at nurburgring i think it may have slain the gtr rather easily. the lack of any tests such as this would probably suggest most magazines already know what would happen and having a porsche pummel a GTR doesnt make for as exciting headlines.
then again maybe porsche know the GT2 would loose and so wont offer it up for review.
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The autocar test was the Z06 vs the 997 GT2 not the 997 TT.
I agree though, the controversy is what will sell and what the mags are drawn to.
It is interesting how they pick their battles though. They'll test the GT-R vs the Superleggerra, but not the GT2. I dont really care though, I just want an honest test of whatever it is they ARE testing.
I agree though, the controversy is what will sell and what the mags are drawn to.
It is interesting how they pick their battles though. They'll test the GT-R vs the Superleggerra, but not the GT2. I dont really care though, I just want an honest test of whatever it is they ARE testing.
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sorry i had a brain fart there for some reason and typed TT instead of GT2 in that middle paragraph. ill go back and ammend.
i personally find the avoidance of tests against the obvious cars when the articles insinuate or prescribe certain qualities to the GTR slightly uncomfortable. theres a fine line IMHO between creating dramatic stories and becoming misleading and neither porsche nor the GTR for that matter deserve the latter.
it will all come out in the wash as they say when it appears on the road in proper numbers. i think its sad that the GTR is being set up in a way that goes against the whole pedigree of the original version by the media who greatly ignored the R32-R34
ive got no envy regarding quick cars. its pointless as no matter what you have theres always going to be something comes along, or a set of circumstances that allow something to go quicker or beat you so to worry about it is folly (though the veyron may have it sealed for a while lol).
what im disliking is the hype of this, its being lauded as a marvel more than the veyron was and that truly is something special in anyones terms, a true once in a generation car that if costs are to be believed in terms of creation and manufacturing ( i heard a loss per car of approx $8m) may just be the pinnacle of car manufacturing as we will ever know it. This with the GTR seems to be turning into something resembling the pomp before a boxing match.
sadly when you pomp too much it just turns goodwill against you and people enjoy seeing you go down on the canvas. i feel the tide turning over the GTR and its not even out yet and thats a sad thing indeed.
at the price its going for its in a whole new market nissan havent dabbled in before with this and sadly as much as we can avoid it, image and perception is a key factor here. its a brand and style you are buying into as much as a product and nissan will come short quickly in this area no matter how much technology they throw at the GTR, no matter how fast it is. i expect them to hurt from this before too long in terms of sales and depreciation and worry that it may consign what seems to be a good car to the annals rather rapidly.
the average person is just going to see a nissan badge and pass on just as they did with the previous versions. the big difference here is that this is a wolf in wolfs clothing where the R32 etc were wolfs in sheeps clothing. thats going to create a crisis in terms of ownership and sales when is still viewed as a sheep by the uninitiated who lets face it make up the majority of this world.
i personally find the avoidance of tests against the obvious cars when the articles insinuate or prescribe certain qualities to the GTR slightly uncomfortable. theres a fine line IMHO between creating dramatic stories and becoming misleading and neither porsche nor the GTR for that matter deserve the latter.
it will all come out in the wash as they say when it appears on the road in proper numbers. i think its sad that the GTR is being set up in a way that goes against the whole pedigree of the original version by the media who greatly ignored the R32-R34
ive got no envy regarding quick cars. its pointless as no matter what you have theres always going to be something comes along, or a set of circumstances that allow something to go quicker or beat you so to worry about it is folly (though the veyron may have it sealed for a while lol).
what im disliking is the hype of this, its being lauded as a marvel more than the veyron was and that truly is something special in anyones terms, a true once in a generation car that if costs are to be believed in terms of creation and manufacturing ( i heard a loss per car of approx $8m) may just be the pinnacle of car manufacturing as we will ever know it. This with the GTR seems to be turning into something resembling the pomp before a boxing match.
sadly when you pomp too much it just turns goodwill against you and people enjoy seeing you go down on the canvas. i feel the tide turning over the GTR and its not even out yet and thats a sad thing indeed.
at the price its going for its in a whole new market nissan havent dabbled in before with this and sadly as much as we can avoid it, image and perception is a key factor here. its a brand and style you are buying into as much as a product and nissan will come short quickly in this area no matter how much technology they throw at the GTR, no matter how fast it is. i expect them to hurt from this before too long in terms of sales and depreciation and worry that it may consign what seems to be a good car to the annals rather rapidly.
the average person is just going to see a nissan badge and pass on just as they did with the previous versions. the big difference here is that this is a wolf in wolfs clothing where the R32 etc were wolfs in sheeps clothing. thats going to create a crisis in terms of ownership and sales when is still viewed as a sheep by the uninitiated who lets face it make up the majority of this world.
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gasoline on the fire....
jalopnik reports thats the nissan test driver ran a 7:29 at the 'ring in full dry conditions. apparantly the 7:38 lap was ran under partial damp conditions. Also, this was the regular GTR, not the V-spec...paging heavychevy.
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