Carbon Interior Parts Thread
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Now I see this thread...
I guess I was a bit late to join this party!
To answer the original question, I think we at MAcarbon do pretty much every part for the 997 and 996. We try to maintain inventory for each of those parts but due to demand from 6speed and elsewhere, we always seem to be playing catch up. As mentioned on page 1, if we don't do it as a production part, we can do it as a custom piece.
All of these interior parts are obviously cosmetic. So when looking for a part and manufacturer you want to consider the appearance first and foremost. Is the weave straight? Is the finish glossy? Is the finish smooth? Is the carbon the right type??? We do extra steps in the finishing process to get that glossy finish that winds up adding another 30% to our cost. Most low end manufactures do not go to through that effort. (And low resolution light box photos also make any carbon look good.) Color stability and UV protection is also important.
We have added a section to our website that shows a few of the process steps. Please take a look:
http://www.macarbon.com/store/carbon-lamination-125/
After considering appearance, the next areas to look at would be warranty and customer service. We strive to do our best in all three catagories. Being based in San Francisco also gives our USA based customers direct access to us.
At MAcarbon, we have always tried to provide value for your 'mod' dollars. Its not always possible but we do our best. Competition is always good. Interesting to see DB here. Their prices are sometimes atttractive. One cost they certainly don't have is sponsoring this great site!
But with laminate, your labor costs are the main component. Unless you use cheap labor, its tough to get the price down. (Machine made parts are also less.) The strength of the Euro has not helped. We do our production at our own facility in Belgium so a good chunk of our costs are in Euros.
Thanks for reading. And yes we do do the inner door sills which hold the trunk switches!
To answer the original question, I think we at MAcarbon do pretty much every part for the 997 and 996. We try to maintain inventory for each of those parts but due to demand from 6speed and elsewhere, we always seem to be playing catch up. As mentioned on page 1, if we don't do it as a production part, we can do it as a custom piece.
All of these interior parts are obviously cosmetic. So when looking for a part and manufacturer you want to consider the appearance first and foremost. Is the weave straight? Is the finish glossy? Is the finish smooth? Is the carbon the right type??? We do extra steps in the finishing process to get that glossy finish that winds up adding another 30% to our cost. Most low end manufactures do not go to through that effort. (And low resolution light box photos also make any carbon look good.) Color stability and UV protection is also important.
We have added a section to our website that shows a few of the process steps. Please take a look:
http://www.macarbon.com/store/carbon-lamination-125/
After considering appearance, the next areas to look at would be warranty and customer service. We strive to do our best in all three catagories. Being based in San Francisco also gives our USA based customers direct access to us.
At MAcarbon, we have always tried to provide value for your 'mod' dollars. Its not always possible but we do our best. Competition is always good. Interesting to see DB here. Their prices are sometimes atttractive. One cost they certainly don't have is sponsoring this great site!
But with laminate, your labor costs are the main component. Unless you use cheap labor, its tough to get the price down. (Machine made parts are also less.) The strength of the Euro has not helped. We do our production at our own facility in Belgium so a good chunk of our costs are in Euros. Thanks for reading. And yes we do do the inner door sills which hold the trunk switches!
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I guess I was a bit late to join this party!
To answer the original question, I think we at MAcarbon do pretty much every part for the 997 and 996. We try to maintain inventory for each of those parts but due to demand from 6speed and elsewhere, we always seem to be playing catch up. As mentioned on page 1, if we don't do it as a production part, we can do it as a custom piece.
All of these interior parts are obviously cosmetic. So when looking for a part and manufacturer you want to consider the appearance first and foremost. Is the weave straight? Is the finish glossy? Is the finish smooth? Is the carbon the right type??? We do extra steps in the finishing process to get that glossy finish that winds up adding another 30% to our cost. Most low end manufactures do not go to through that effort. (And low resolution light box photos also make any carbon look good.) Color stability and UV protection is also important.
We have added a section to our website that shows a few of the process steps. Please take a look:
http://www.macarbon.com/store/carbon-lamination-125/
After considering appearance, the next areas to look at would be warranty and customer service. We strive to do our best in all three catagories. Being based in San Francisco also gives our USA based customers direct access to us.
At MAcarbon, we have always tried to provide value for your 'mod' dollars. Its not always possible but we do our best. Competition is always good. Interesting to see DB here. Their prices are sometimes atttractive. One cost they certainly don't have is sponsoring this great site! But with laminate, your labor costs are the main component. Unless you use cheap labor, its tough to get the price down. (Machine made parts are also less.) The strength of the Euro has not helped. We do our production at our own facility in Belgium so a good chunk of our costs are in Euros.
Thanks for reading. And yes we do do the inner door sills which hold the trunk switches!
To answer the original question, I think we at MAcarbon do pretty much every part for the 997 and 996. We try to maintain inventory for each of those parts but due to demand from 6speed and elsewhere, we always seem to be playing catch up. As mentioned on page 1, if we don't do it as a production part, we can do it as a custom piece.
All of these interior parts are obviously cosmetic. So when looking for a part and manufacturer you want to consider the appearance first and foremost. Is the weave straight? Is the finish glossy? Is the finish smooth? Is the carbon the right type??? We do extra steps in the finishing process to get that glossy finish that winds up adding another 30% to our cost. Most low end manufactures do not go to through that effort. (And low resolution light box photos also make any carbon look good.) Color stability and UV protection is also important.
We have added a section to our website that shows a few of the process steps. Please take a look:
http://www.macarbon.com/store/carbon-lamination-125/
After considering appearance, the next areas to look at would be warranty and customer service. We strive to do our best in all three catagories. Being based in San Francisco also gives our USA based customers direct access to us.
At MAcarbon, we have always tried to provide value for your 'mod' dollars. Its not always possible but we do our best. Competition is always good. Interesting to see DB here. Their prices are sometimes atttractive. One cost they certainly don't have is sponsoring this great site!
But with laminate, your labor costs are the main component. Unless you use cheap labor, its tough to get the price down. (Machine made parts are also less.) The strength of the Euro has not helped. We do our production at our own facility in Belgium so a good chunk of our costs are in Euros. Thanks for reading. And yes we do do the inner door sills which hold the trunk switches!
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I guess I was a bit late to join this party!
To answer the original question, I think we at MAcarbon do pretty much every part for the 997 and 996. We try to maintain inventory for each of those parts but due to demand from 6speed and elsewhere, we always seem to be playing catch up. As mentioned on page 1, if we don't do it as a production part, we can do it as a custom piece.
All of these interior parts are obviously cosmetic. So when looking for a part and manufacturer you want to consider the appearance first and foremost. Is the weave straight? Is the finish glossy? Is the finish smooth? Is the carbon the right type??? We do extra steps in the finishing process to get that glossy finish that winds up adding another 30% to our cost. Most low end manufactures do not go to through that effort. (And low resolution light box photos also make any carbon look good.) Color stability and UV protection is also important.
We have added a section to our website that shows a few of the process steps. Please take a look:
http://www.macarbon.com/store/carbon-lamination-125/
After considering appearance, the next areas to look at would be warranty and customer service. We strive to do our best in all three catagories. Being based in San Francisco also gives our USA based customers direct access to us.
At MAcarbon, we have always tried to provide value for your 'mod' dollars. Its not always possible but we do our best. Competition is always good. Interesting to see DB here. Their prices are sometimes atttractive. One cost they certainly don't have is sponsoring this great site! But with laminate, your labor costs are the main component. Unless you use cheap labor, its tough to get the price down. (Machine made parts are also less.) The strength of the Euro has not helped. We do our production at our own facility in Belgium so a good chunk of our costs are in Euros.
Thanks for reading. And yes we do do the inner door sills which hold the trunk switches!
To answer the original question, I think we at MAcarbon do pretty much every part for the 997 and 996. We try to maintain inventory for each of those parts but due to demand from 6speed and elsewhere, we always seem to be playing catch up. As mentioned on page 1, if we don't do it as a production part, we can do it as a custom piece.
All of these interior parts are obviously cosmetic. So when looking for a part and manufacturer you want to consider the appearance first and foremost. Is the weave straight? Is the finish glossy? Is the finish smooth? Is the carbon the right type??? We do extra steps in the finishing process to get that glossy finish that winds up adding another 30% to our cost. Most low end manufactures do not go to through that effort. (And low resolution light box photos also make any carbon look good.) Color stability and UV protection is also important.
We have added a section to our website that shows a few of the process steps. Please take a look:
http://www.macarbon.com/store/carbon-lamination-125/
After considering appearance, the next areas to look at would be warranty and customer service. We strive to do our best in all three catagories. Being based in San Francisco also gives our USA based customers direct access to us.
At MAcarbon, we have always tried to provide value for your 'mod' dollars. Its not always possible but we do our best. Competition is always good. Interesting to see DB here. Their prices are sometimes atttractive. One cost they certainly don't have is sponsoring this great site!
But with laminate, your labor costs are the main component. Unless you use cheap labor, its tough to get the price down. (Machine made parts are also less.) The strength of the Euro has not helped. We do our production at our own facility in Belgium so a good chunk of our costs are in Euros. Thanks for reading. And yes we do do the inner door sills which hold the trunk switches!
Hello MACarbon,
nice website, nice production step list.....when we count our production
steps like your way, we would have about 20 steps.
That to the sentence producing cheaper with less steps and lower
quality.....
We don´t try to make our parts better with the professional pictures, our
parts will look like on the pictures and will look in the next 10 or 20 years like now...that to your sentence about stability and UV protecting...
...by the way that´s an big problem which porsche original have....
I think that´s a good thing for both of us...
We give a 2 year implied warranty and when there is an problem with an part from us after 5, 6 or up to 10 years we will send replacement for free....
We produce in Germany only in handwork.....no machine production....
Will not write more details, you sponsor 6speed and we will not post anymore here...I think that´s only fair....
Do your buisness,
Best regards,
DB-Design-Group
Daniel
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It was late at night and my post was probably a bit over the top. Maybe even a little '*****y'. I would agree that OEM Porsche quality is good for aftermarket companies making quality products.
Lamination is not rocket science but it is not easy to do right. As for the steps on our site, that is just a partial listing to give an idea of the effort that goes into the process. We keep a few to ourselves to protect our process and not to put visitors to sleep.
Lamination is not rocket science but it is not easy to do right. As for the steps on our site, that is just a partial listing to give an idea of the effort that goes into the process. We keep a few to ourselves to protect our process and not to put visitors to sleep.
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It was late at night and my post was probably a bit over the top. Maybe even a little '*****y'. I would agree that OEM Porsche quality is good for aftermarket companies making quality products.
Lamination is not rocket science but it is not easy to do right. As for the steps on our site, that is just a partial listing to give an idea of the effort that goes into the process. We keep a few to ourselves to protect our process and not to put visitors to sleep.
Lamination is not rocket science but it is not easy to do right. As for the steps on our site, that is just a partial listing to give an idea of the effort that goes into the process. We keep a few to ourselves to protect our process and not to put visitors to sleep.
Yes, exactly..
by the way we have seen parts and made experience with a lot of other carbon producing companies for porsche and exclusive cars and we have seen absolutely
poor and bad quality´s... but we would never talk about other companies, I think to talk about the competition is an poor way of buisness....I agree totally to this, we would never let look foreign people in our production halls.... because of this I said "when we count like your way", our "secret" steps I didn´t count....
had to follow my assurance...last post....
Best regards,
Daniel
