if i were going racing, then yes, a full roll CAGE is what id be strapping myself into. all i need is a harness bar for mild tracking...

 

i found a tequipment bar. says its not fia/ans approved. does that mean ill get a hard time at track days, or only if i go scca racing which i wont

http://e-partssales.com/Merchant2/me...ode=997gt3seat

rather have a Factory item...

 

You don't have to have any bar at a DE. You can even use just your 3-point seat belt. The local PCA region requires that you provide the same equipment to an instructor (and pax, too, perhaps) as the driver. But, regardless of the youtube vid, if you're going to go this route, I wouldn't use a Tequipment. But that's my opinion.

 

See my previous opinions about safety

 

Flyingphish,did you see the 996 GT3 seats for sale a few threads above this?$2200.I have the same seats and have the GMG roll bar and Sparco 6 pt harness.For occasional trackwork they are brilliant.

 

u do know that the 997GT3 RS in euro and a few early one's in USA have factory welded plates on the tub? those actually command a premium over the cars that do not have the plates.

furthermore, the factory RS rollbar REQUIRES that you weld a plate to the tub.

 

you said it Mooty..."factory welded". that is what i would prefer at this time.

anybody have any experience with the sparco dtm carbon seat and the new brackets from speedware. does the seat sit same as stock. dont want to ride any higher nor tilt back any further.

heya ian, probably gonna wind up with the same setup as you.

thx for the replies people.

 

unfortunately the factory welded plates are poorly done. i had it re welded with a box section.

DTM seat sits lower than oem. you can run all sorts of side mounting brackets to get it lower if you like.

the tilt can also be control by mounting plate, though not something you change on a whim. you have to commit to one angle unfortunately (based on the height of the holes drilled into the mounting plates)

it appears that you prefer OEM, thus you might want to consider the 997GT2 bucket seats. you can get them at suncoast porsche for about 8k/pair in leather, inc side airbag. not a bad deal for carbon backed factory seats.

 

moot, i ordered the euro gt3 seats from suncoast. guess i have no choice now but to go see tony because im like that.

here is a nice story:

i did order a gmg harness bar direct from gmg. i got the sucker sales pitch as to how their bar is certified for this and that and that the Teq bar is not, its trash, thin metal, wont withstand a roll over, blah blah...

I also ordered some belts. told gmg that i dont want to drill the tub etc, i had thought shroth made a setup for the gt3 euro seats, just plug and play. gmg told me "no not true, buy our sparco belts, we dont sell the shroth belts anyway, sparco owns shroth so they are the same and you have to drill the tub to install"

i figure these guys are legit. couple thousand post here on 6speed. everyone likes them. and, they have a race car with their name on it...

the harness bar was delivered damaged...the bar was packed in a box with no protection, no bubble wrap, no foam peanuts, it was just sliding around in a big box. brilliant. the powder coating was blemished. amateurs.

later i find out that there is a plug and play shroth profi 2 setup for the euro gt3 seat. no drilling of tub required.

i feel like an idiot, partly because i usually do so much homework online and in forums that i rarely make these kinds of mistakes...

to make a long story short, i asked for a refund and not a replacement. i just wanted my money back. bad taste in my mouth. akin to the taste one would have after licking a cats butt.

gmg told me to go pound sand. i can return it for a replacement but no refund. the president of the company was cc'd on all the emails back and forth, he never even called or replied to see if i was being taken care of properly. probably out racing his race car.

snake oil i tell ya.

 

sorry to say, "i told you so".

i run profi belts. it's not plug and play but you dont need to drill the tub. it's hard to explain how to install it. and i have seen tons of DIY that does it wrong. just call tcdesignfab.com and tell him you want it done just like mooty's. you dont have to do any thinking. it will be done to your satisfaction.

pls he is local.

there is only one shop i know of in CA that comes close to tony's work. 911design in socal. they do great work but at 10x tony's cost.

 

For your six point Tony didnt have to drill another eye screw in for the sub belts?

 

Man, i'm sorry to hear about your experience. That really sucks. Were you working with Fabryce at GMG?

 

moot master, i am grasshopper. my bad, i should have listened. kinda like not listening to ones caddy when he says it breaks two cups left...

i will be making an appointment with tony when the seats get here. no more screwing around.

CN, nope, no drilling, tony makes a bracket that attaches to seat, or shroth makes a gt3 belt for the gt3 seat.

i am only comfortable mentioning the name of the company, they are responsible, not the salesperson. the salesperson is just that, a salesperson. if he is one of the owners he has no idea how to run a business and they will fail. if he is an employee, i woud fire him and save the business.

if there is any name calling to be done i leave that up to Bob:

http://forums.audiworld.com/rs4b7/msgs/97002.phtml

hope to catch up with you guys sometime. peace.

 

Very cool.

Understandably. You're a class act. Again sorry to hear about your sour experience.

And i'm sure we'll see each other around. I dont know anyone who spends more time at the track than Mooty and for the next couple months (whiles it still decently nice) i'll be at one track or another at least 3-4 days a month.

 

Jason Davilla.

I though you might be posting in regards to your purchase and while I am sure you have your opinion of what happened lets review the facts.

You placed your order with me and we exchanged several emails in regards to your order and spoke on the phone several times. I made it perfectly clear as to what you were purchasing and how it worked and installed in the vehicle. ( Would you like me to post the trail of 15+ emails which we exchanged?)

You yourself stated that you did not want a bar that required drilling into the chassis and cutting of the carpet. I explained to you that our bar did not require this.
Additionally you wanted a pair of 6 point harness which I sold you a set of Sparco belts which we run on all of our cars including our race cars and street cars. (As an FYI Sparco owns Schroth and all Sparco belts are made by Schroth)
You were provided with a safe solution to the belt situation and anyone who has done any sort racing will tell you that the seat belts need to be anchored to the chassis and not to the seat mechanism or structure in order for them to be properly installed. Basic racing safety 101.

I dont appreciate you saying you were given a sucker sales pitch because I explained the facts to you. And those were .. I repeat.
1. The factory T- equipment bar is made of mild steel and does not meet any requirements per SCCA , POC, PCA rule books based on the weight of the vehicle. While most clubs allow them they techinically are not legal.
Going by the rule book.

Our GMG Cup bar is made of Chromoly and meets specific wall thickness and construction requirements per rule book.

Additionally I made it clear our bar is not to be used for racing. It can be used for time trials and drivers ed events.

We also have an option that you can now add additional bracing to tie in the rear strut towers and have a strut tower brace as well.

What you state is not the truth...... So why would you say something that I never said?


Moving on....


When your package arrived you sent me an email with some pictures of the apparent damage to the roll bar which came from the cardboard rubbing on the side of the main hoop.

You immediately explained that you did not want the roll bar and wanted to return it along with the seat belts although there was nothing wrong with the belts themselves.

I apologized to you about the shipping and told you that I would gladly replace the roll bar for you at no charge inclusive of the shipping back and forth to you .

You stated that you just did not want it.... With no reason other than the mild abrasion on the bar itself. There was clearly nothing wrong with the bar as far as the build quility or the parts provided with it.

I told you that our policy is clear . Motorsports parts are non returnable non refundable. However I would be happy to send you out another bar at no charge to you.

You told me that you would just let your credit card company deal with it.
I said thats fine please see your invoice for all conditions of our sales.


You returned the bar to us with out a return authorization which you were required to get. At this point I could have just refused the package but all things considered I accepted the package and inspected the bar. Which was missing hardware that was provided when shipped.

Upon inspection I found there were some abrasion on the powder coat on the side of the bar where it would meet the B pillar. ( Not visible once installed in the car) I literally took some cleaner wax and and buffed the fine scratches out of the bar in about 5 minutes time.

At this point I could have just sent the bar back to you. However since you were a 6speed member I elected to refund you the amount of the purchase price less the re-stocking fee. Which I did not have to do at all.Which is clearly noted on your reciept.

You sent the seat belts back and they were refused and returned to you. As this is our policy on Motorsport parts and if you deal with any vendor that sells true motorsport parts there policies are no different. Be it GMG or Porsche Motorsport NA.


I think I have been more than fair in the way this handled, I am co-owner of the company and you dealt with me directly. There was really no need to have my business partner involved in our communications other than what he was copied on.

Now you come on 6speed and paint a picture to our fellow members that I and GMG are a company who are out to pull the wool over the consumers eyes. You being the consumer.

Anyone who has ever dealt with myself or my business partner have always known that I am very fair and a man of my word. I know this is something that is somewhat of a rare instance in this industry but we try and do what we say we are going to do and stick to it.

Now while we are certainly not perfect and without flaw, we try and take care of our customers as best we can and often offer a lot of time and advice on what we find that works and doesnt and dont charge for it. Its your decision to do as you wish as a consumer, however its really not fair to a business to do what you have done which is nothing more than order a product, get it and decide you did not what it for no reason. Its clear that the product is a quality piece and Id be more than comfortable to compare it to any other item like it on the market today.


I am sorry you had an issue with our product however we offered to do what was right and replace the product free of charge and cover the shipping expense. While this is not going out of the way by any stretch of the imagination it is the right thing to do.
Maybe you got a better deal on another product, maybe someone offered you something for nothing.. What ever the reason is the facts remain. I did everything I could to help you.

Should you have any further concearns, questions or comments please feel free to contact me directly at the shop.


I wish you the best of luck in your future purchases and hope you find the products you are looking for and they fit your needs.