GT3/GT2 Performance and Track Discussion on the Porsche GT3 and GT2

Ceramic disk fell off in the GT3 front caliper

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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 11:39 AM
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I'm sure there is a zero chance of having the discs dislodged from the pistons. I don't see anything else other than benefit by gluing back the disc, just like when it was new. However, when the yellow disc came loose from the piston, the hardened adhesive residue creates an uneven surface between the piston and the disc. There maybe a minute chance for the disc not seating completely parallel to the piston and causes it to crack under pressure - especially ceramic is brittle. <-- I guess i'm just worrying too much and being paranoid
The caliper came off from a '03 GT3
 
Old Nov 2, 2010 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by saiteiman
I guess i'm just worrying too much and being paranoid
The caliper came off from a '03 GT3
Understandable, but the heat and pressures the pistons and brakes are under, you really dont need to worry about it. Also, from your picture, the piston is extended out, so if you put the ceramic disc in, and press the piston in, you'll see it really does seat in there well. For it to go past the point where the disc was out of the cylinder, you would have had to burned thru your pad and half the backing plate
 
Old Nov 2, 2010 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Fastforwardwheels
ok here is what my porsche teck said... just make sure the damper is the correct size the that piston and just press it back in... if its a little lose its ok... just mean its time to replace it... if you dont mind then you can us a little be of gasket maker to hold it in place when you push in... to hold it in place... and when you put the pad on it will not fall out.. soo you have nothing to worry about!
Sounds like you're referring to anti-squeal shim. Because shim is press-fit and replaceable.
 
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I'd rather have the discs secure to the pistons for peace of mind especially this is part of the braking components. If one of the discs somehow dislodged during braking, it could crack the brittle ceramic disc and having regrets later. Especially when the dust boot is brittle, worn, and the mounting depth on the ceramic disc is shallow, nothing would really hold it in place other than the adhesive.
Yes, i've tried to find out if anyone sells the ceramic disc without any luck that's why I want to make sure it gets done the proper way.
1. when the pads are in there, the cap will not dislodge b/c it's wedged b/n piston and back of pads, the pistons will not retract enough to let the cap fall

2. no matter what you do, the caps will cracks due to heat and wear etc.
 
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Understandable, but the heat and pressures the pistons and brakes are under, you really dont need to worry about it. Also, from your picture, the piston is extended out, so if you put the ceramic disc in, and press the piston in, you'll see it really does seat in there well. For it to go past the point where the disc was out of the cylinder, you would have had to burned thru your pad and half the backing plate
LOL, we both abuse the brakes i seems......
i run my pads ALL THE WAY to the backing. and sometimes i use the backing as pads. you should see the backing on my BSR when i won the race. the backing was only 2/3 as thick as it was. the BACKING not the pad, there was no pads.
 
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I'd rather have the discs secure to the pistons for peace of mind especially this is part of the braking components. If one of the discs somehow dislodged during braking, it could crack the brittle ceramic disc and having regrets later. Especially when the dust boot is brittle, worn, and the mounting depth on the ceramic disc is shallow, nothing would really hold it in place other than the adhesive.
Yes, i've tried to find out if anyone sells the ceramic disc without any luck that's why I want to make sure it gets done the proper way.
where in bay area are u and which dealer do you work with?
if you dont track a lot, i would put the cap back.
if you track quite a bit, you will have to buy them by the dozen if you intend to keep them. they break OFTEN, like every pad change. same goes with dust boots. most of use trk rats dont bother replacing dust boot. when it's time, just rebuild the caliper.
 
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I am getting tired of trying to put these things back in during pad changes - easy enough to hold in place for the outside pad, the inner pad is more of a pain. Anyone try High-temp RTV or anything with success? I might try new dust seals but they don't survive long enough when tracking to seem worth the effort and expense...
 
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I am getting tired of trying to put these things back in during pad changes - easy enough to hold in place for the outside pad, the inner pad is more of a pain. Anyone try High-temp RTV or anything with success? I might try new dust seals but they don't survive long enough when tracking to seem worth the effort and expense...
Permatex Ultra Copper RTV High temperature silicone work very well. I use this to glue the loose ceramic pucks back in and it seems to do the job. I got it at Ace Hardware....
 
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Permatex Ultra Copper RTV High temperature silicone work very well. I use this to glue the loose ceramic pucks back in and it seems to do the job. I got it at Ace Hardware....

Thanks for reply. I have some High Temp RTV in the tool box. I'll give it a try.
 
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
Permatex Ultra Copper RTV High temperature silicone work very well. I use this to glue the loose ceramic pucks back in and it seems to do the job. I got it at Ace Hardware....

Thanks for reply. I have some High Temp RTV in the tool box. I'll give it a try.
There are spring clips that hold the pucks into the piston

It's a cup car part, order them and problem solved.
 
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There are spring clips that hold the pucks into the piston

It's a cup car part, order them and problem solved.
Can you post a link or a part number to the spring clips? Neither the OEM GT3/GT2 6pots come with any kind of clip. They are glued in with some type of of an adhesive.
 
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Here are pictures of the solution. The inserts are available through www.orbitracing.com, phone 5618402109. They are called brake puc holders, they don't list a part number on my invoice.

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Here's a bigger picture of the holders.

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