CGT lapping Ferrari on track
#16
03-05-2005, 07:21 PM
I've got eXeem up and running, and searched for and found the two videos. I'll probably uninstall it after the download's are successful, but right now it's downloading nothing and just says awaiting peers as well. I may be misunderstanding the nature of these sharing services, but I think petert, as the original seed, needs to have his connection on so that he can upload it to us and provide more points of sharing. Oh well.
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03-05-2005, 07:24 PM
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03-05-2005, 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by John H in MD
I've got eXeem up and running, and searched for and found the two videos. I'll probably uninstall it after the download's are successful, but right now it's downloading nothing and just says awaiting peers as well. I may be misunderstanding the nature of these sharing services, but I think petert, as the original seed, needs to have his connection on so that he can upload it to us and provide more points of sharing. Oh well.
I've got eXeem up and running, and searched for and found the two videos. I'll probably uninstall it after the download's are successful, but right now it's downloading nothing and just says awaiting peers as well. I may be misunderstanding the nature of these sharing services, but I think petert, as the original seed, needs to have his connection on so that he can upload it to us and provide more points of sharing. Oh well.
, but the one named "cgt2.mpg" finally uploaded. The other 2 say "0" MB."yousendit.com" says it has a 1MB limit.
#20
03-06-2005, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by ben, lj
really, what car is that? the donkey one (is that "production" car even US street legal like the CS and CGT with all the weight penalties that entails)? if so, didn't it do 7:18 vs. the 7:28 rohl achieved 7/04 w/ the cgt (hardly "30 seconds")? incidentally, the cornering ability (not a product of hp for sure) of the CGT dwarfs that of the CS despite the tire advantage very much going too the CS. same rubber and it would be scary fast (probably even donkey car fast). lastly, the CGT is at least 100 lbs heavier than the CS.
and you know from past experience with the pcar vs. fcar that the "price" argument is a loser's one. it's the same one the pcar guys use against the fcar guys even though their much cheaper cars whoop the similar segment fcar equivalent.
the "production" vehicle:
http://speed.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2...mID=617449&l=d
the 1388 lb "production" vehicle with the 125 mph top speed (and i don't even think this is the "RS" version which achieved the 7:18 - ON SLICKS):
http://www.donkervoort.nl/car/techspecs.pdf
really, what car is that? the donkey one (is that "production" car even US street legal like the CS and CGT with all the weight penalties that entails)? if so, didn't it do 7:18 vs. the 7:28 rohl achieved 7/04 w/ the cgt (hardly "30 seconds")? incidentally, the cornering ability (not a product of hp for sure) of the CGT dwarfs that of the CS despite the tire advantage very much going too the CS. same rubber and it would be scary fast (probably even donkey car fast). lastly, the CGT is at least 100 lbs heavier than the CS.
and you know from past experience with the pcar vs. fcar that the "price" argument is a loser's one. it's the same one the pcar guys use against the fcar guys even though their much cheaper cars whoop the similar segment fcar equivalent.
the "production" vehicle:
http://speed.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2...mID=617449&l=d
the 1388 lb "production" vehicle with the 125 mph top speed (and i don't even think this is the "RS" version which achieved the 7:18 - ON SLICKS):
http://www.donkervoort.nl/car/techspecs.pdf
BTW I am suprised to hear that the Stradale is lighter than the CGT.
#21
03-06-2005, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by nberry
Ben my point is what is the big deal that a CGT is spanking a Stradale?
Ben my point is what is the big deal that a CGT is spanking a Stradale?
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...threadid=21562
They didn't take it as a personal afront against Fcars but were instead thinking about upgrading to the substantially better CGT. I'm sure Ferrari appreciates your tireless defense of the brand, but these guys have an open mind and wanted to know the truth so they could make a more informed decision. You'd think with the silly mark ups and wait lists, Ferrari wouldn't need such help.
Obtaining the truth is not in any way enhanced by throwing up the incomparable Donkey car in a Fcar/Pcar video comparison thread in the US where the Donkey car can't even be driven (if you'd even want to).
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03-06-2005, 12:31 PM
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I posted smaller (compressed) versions if anyone wants to try again.... plus it looks like a few people are currently grabbing them using eXeem. (but I don't think the p2p systems are well suited to large, infrequently, downloaded files - better for mass volume stuff like Britney vids where thousands download them).
#23
03-06-2005, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by ben, lj
There was a thread on here (see link below) wherein some CS owners were curious as to just HOW much better the CGT was than the CS.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...threadid=21562
They didn't take it as a personal afront against Fcars but were instead thinking about upgrading to the substantially better CGT. I'm sure Ferrari appreciates your tireless defense of the brand, but these guys have an open mind and wanted to know the truth so they could make a more informed decision. You'd think with the silly mark ups and wait lists, Ferrari wouldn't need such help.
Obtaining the truth is not in any way enhanced by throwing up the incomparable Donkey car in a Fcar/Pcar video comparison thread in the US where the Donkey car can't even be driven (if you'd even want to).
There was a thread on here (see link below) wherein some CS owners were curious as to just HOW much better the CGT was than the CS.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...threadid=21562
They didn't take it as a personal afront against Fcars but were instead thinking about upgrading to the substantially better CGT. I'm sure Ferrari appreciates your tireless defense of the brand, but these guys have an open mind and wanted to know the truth so they could make a more informed decision. You'd think with the silly mark ups and wait lists, Ferrari wouldn't need such help.
Obtaining the truth is not in any way enhanced by throwing up the incomparable Donkey car in a Fcar/Pcar video comparison thread in the US where the Donkey car can't even be driven (if you'd even want to).
#24
03-06-2005, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by nberry
You and I both know the CS and CGT are worlds apart. I did not realize anyone was looking for a comparison. Really nothing to compare. One is a supercar and the other a terrific car.
You and I both know the CS and CGT are worlds apart. I did not realize anyone was looking for a comparison. Really nothing to compare. One is a supercar and the other a terrific car.
#25
03-06-2005, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by ben, lj
well put. like them, before i got mine, i had a hard time seeing the $ diff between the two as justifiable. it was hard to imagine how i could ever want anything more than the CS (which is a fantastic car), but the CS is truly a bore (save for the wonderful sound) now.
well put. like them, before i got mine, i had a hard time seeing the $ diff between the two as justifiable. it was hard to imagine how i could ever want anything more than the CS (which is a fantastic car), but the CS is truly a bore (save for the wonderful sound) now.
Agreed. Now aren't you happy your dealer didn't refund you your money?
#26
03-06-2005, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by amirgt2
Agreed. Now aren't you happy your dealer didn't refund you your money?
Agreed. Now aren't you happy your dealer didn't refund you your money?
#27
03-06-2005, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by petert
I posted smaller (compressed) versions if anyone wants to try again.... plus it looks like a few people are currently grabbing them using eXeem. (but I don't think the p2p systems are well suited to large, infrequently, downloaded files - better for mass volume stuff like Britney vids where thousands download them).
I posted smaller (compressed) versions if anyone wants to try again.... plus it looks like a few people are currently grabbing them using eXeem. (but I don't think the p2p systems are well suited to large, infrequently, downloaded files - better for mass volume stuff like Britney vids where thousands download them).
http://www.volvoxcomputers.com/rofne...hpBB2/cgt1.mod
http://www.volvoxcomputers.com/rofne...hpBB2/cgt2.mod
#28
03-07-2005, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by ben, lj
well put. like them, before i got mine, i had a hard time seeing the $ diff between the two as justifiable. it was hard to imagine how i could ever want anything more than the CS (which is a fantastic car), but the CS is truly a bore (save for the wonderful sound) now.
well put. like them, before i got mine, i had a hard time seeing the $ diff between the two as justifiable. it was hard to imagine how i could ever want anything more than the CS (which is a fantastic car), but the CS is truly a bore (save for the wonderful sound) now.
It is all relative.
#29
03-07-2005, 10:56 PM
Top Gear tested the CGT and the CS on their track with the same driver with many practice runs on each car. The CGT was only 2.5 seconds faster after about a minute and 20 seconds of driving:
Enzo: 1:19:00
CGT: 1:19:8
Ford GT: 1:21:9
CS: 1:22:3
On the street with similar drivers, the CGT and the CS will be together for hours. I agree that the CGT has a G-force rush, but that doesn't mean it's going to lose a CS on the street!
Also, it seems the CS may provide (for me) a more "flying through the air" experience than the CGT. When sitting in a CGT, I'm looking at the hood and gauges, while in the CS, I'm looking at the road. Do you guys feel that way also?
Enzo: 1:19:00
CGT: 1:19:8
Ford GT: 1:21:9
CS: 1:22:3
On the street with similar drivers, the CGT and the CS will be together for hours. I agree that the CGT has a G-force rush, but that doesn't mean it's going to lose a CS on the street!
Also, it seems the CS may provide (for me) a more "flying through the air" experience than the CGT. When sitting in a CGT, I'm looking at the hood and gauges, while in the CS, I'm looking at the road. Do you guys feel that way also?
#30
03-08-2005, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by Bill S
Top Gear tested the CGT and the CS on their track with the same driver with many practice runs on each car. The CGT was only 2.5 seconds faster after about a minute and 20 seconds of driving:
Enzo: 1:19:00
CGT: 1:19:8
Ford GT: 1:21:9
CS: 1:22:3
On the street with similar drivers, the CGT and the CS will be together for hours. I agree that the CGT has a G-force rush, but that doesn't mean it's going to lose a CS on the street!
Also, it seems the CS may provide (for me) a more "flying through the air" experience than the CGT. When sitting in a CGT, I'm looking at the hood and gauges, while in the CS, I'm looking at the road. Do you guys feel that way also?
Top Gear tested the CGT and the CS on their track with the same driver with many practice runs on each car. The CGT was only 2.5 seconds faster after about a minute and 20 seconds of driving:
Enzo: 1:19:00
CGT: 1:19:8
Ford GT: 1:21:9
CS: 1:22:3
On the street with similar drivers, the CGT and the CS will be together for hours. I agree that the CGT has a G-force rush, but that doesn't mean it's going to lose a CS on the street!
Also, it seems the CS may provide (for me) a more "flying through the air" experience than the CGT. When sitting in a CGT, I'm looking at the hood and gauges, while in the CS, I'm looking at the road. Do you guys feel that way also?
Yes the CS is fun but it's lack of torque and hand shifting can be on the boring side to me. FWIW, I find the view out of the CGT to be great and my driver's seat is 10 mm lower than regular. So, if you experienced that, maybe you want to sit in one with the standard height seats.
You and I will hook up againi soon Bill and I will make a believer out of you
Last edited by ben, lj; 03-08-2005 at 07:22 AM.