And that is exactly what I expected to find in PET and at the LA Auto Show GT2RS display car. The rear pics I took did not turn out...but the fronts did. Here are the front lower control arms- you tell me what you see at the inboard end? Monoball? Or Elastomeric? Maybe my eyes are bad?

If you are going to "remove all the rubber" aren't monoballs at the LCA a first stop, sending the elastomeric bushing to the rubber trash can?

And I have no idea what the hell those red straps are they have tightened onto the suspension.

So: PET + LA Auto show car vs the marketing and magazine articles? Let's see some chassis pics of a European delivery or receive Porsche's explanation? I HOPE all the evidence is wrong, but I'm not a cool-aid drinker. Not after the "titanium exhaust" on 2010 GT3RS that turned out in reality to be a 33% titanium 66% steel exhaust.

And why would you say this "the PET Katalog is hardly difinitive in any respect"? Are you claiming the internal Porsche parts catalog is expected to not have the correct parts listed? That it is not an accurate source of what parts are on what cars? Kindly explain this to me as I depend on PET to order the correct parts for my cars?

Let the facts come out and if suspension is solid as claimed then everybody is thrilled and Porsche has something awesome to talk more about. Yes?

 

Most definitely rubber.

But my question is how many of these things can actually be solid and the car have street car manners? You can't put metal everywhere and not expect the car to make a lot of noise.

It does not look good based on that picture. The thrust arms, rear upper arms and toe arms are really the only places that could be different other than the subframe since I'm pretty sure the GT2 RS has the electromagnetic engine mounts right?

 

...and what about the special connecting rods that were supposed to be in the engine?

 

My RS and Spyder suspensions are solid. Tarett and PMNA have a lot of my money. The cars are driven hundreds of miles to track, on track, home from track. Quality spherical ends and monoballs do not make noise.

Subframe part numbers are same for 2RS and 3RS. Anybody can check PET and verify. Lower control arm inboard ends and upper shock mounts can and should be solid, in addition to other parts you mentioned. (if you are going to "remove all the rubber" that is)

+1 on the rest

 

I took the suspension, you want to address engine? Everybody shares in the dissection ok?

 

They may not make noise after a few hundred miles on them, but we are talking about factory cars that are build to last for hundreds of thousands of miles on the same suspension. I am not aware of a production car that comes with full solid suspension. Semi-solid yes, but not full metal. There has to be a reason.

And yes, even quality monoballs and sphericals can make noise. Metal on metal always has the potential to make noise, be it creaking or clanking. And it will eventually happen. I'm just saying there may be a reason the sphericals aren't in that particular location.

 

I have a feeling when more owners receive their cars, there will be a lot more to dissect than just the suspension and engine...

 

Thanks for more info guys. This thread is getting good.

 

I tried to contact Manthey Racing since my car is parked there during the winter, to ask them to take a look. But, they have closed now until the 9th of January.
But what I can say, is that when they got my car there, and I changed to the Endless brake pads, Martin took a closer look at the car when it was in the air and said: there is absolutely nothing we can do with this car to make it better as it looks right now. This is just like a race car..

 

Now there is an interesting comment.

 

i'm sorry but that's exactly what i thought in the beginning. the GT2RS is a great car but way overpriced in any way. let's just say IF indeed those suspension bits is new but still doesn't make it a 250k+ 911. and sadly, it's just got a new ECU & combination of little bit of GT3RS, Turbo & 997.1 GT2... u proved it. Porsche is getting cheaper & cheaper. their marketing is beyond good so they can re-package the same thing but charge way more money for it, until someone catches the fact. i'm glad u did but frankly this is nothing new. i'm hoping this gets good.

 

my car has all steel ERP rod ends and there is no noise other than occasional clunking from tender springs when they extend and collapse back. good teflon coated monoballs do behave just fine.

 

OK, not a complete lie, just a 2/3 lie.

Maybe the solid suspension parts are not good for a street car, maybe the car is too expenside to some, I understand, but price and end result is not the issue here.
It's LE and so it is worth whatever it's worth to Porsche and the buyer.

The issue is wether or not they lie and misrepresent the facts. That's is a big deal. To take the GT3RS exhaust as an example they are at least willing to twist or omit some facts.

My take is that the guys who love the GT3RS and who can afford this car are going to buy it anyway and will love it as an exclusive LE lightweight GT3RS TT.

But guys spending $250K on a car and miltiple time that amount with Porsche on other cars don't take well to being lied to..
And that is what will create an epic **** storm if it turns out that they are not getting what they paid for and what was sold to them.

 

I'm sure the parts will be correct in a GT2RS. Porsche has to assume at least one freak owner will disassemble his new 265K car and try to upgrade it. Hence finding out what's in it...

 

Ok this below from a man that I do have faith in: Chris Harris. In Christophorus, the Porsche published magazine. His observations match mine: the suspension is that of a GT3RS with a few tweaks at the rear only.

1. "Chassis is based on GT3RS". Backing up my research showing the common part numbers.
2. "...are a few "adjustments""
3. "rear axle has more solid linkages than GT3RS". Only the rear is upgraded. And no claim that all rubber is removed- just "more" solid linkages.

His comments dovetail exactly as I have noted (and are contrary to video claims). Is a GT3 chassis good thing? Of course it is. Is it what was claimed in the video- NO. My beef was with one thing only- claims in the video vs reality.

Look, the discussion is now dead for me, I feel confident I now know exactly what is being offered for sale. Based upon the video I expected something other than what is. If you know cars, are technically oriented and details matter then you care about what you are buying.