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The specs are very impressive!
I am stuck with the almost 32 mpg highway on a 9000 rpm 475 bhp track oriented car, the weight savings even with the penalty of the PDK which is heavier than a manual, etc...
Even the PDK lever has proper orientation... Down to upshift, up to downshift!
I can only imagine what the GT3RS will be... 500 bhp and maybe less than 3000 lbs?
I will start saving from now! LOL
I am stuck with the almost 32 mpg highway on a 9000 rpm 475 bhp track oriented car, the weight savings even with the penalty of the PDK which is heavier than a manual, etc...
Even the PDK lever has proper orientation... Down to upshift, up to downshift!
I can only imagine what the GT3RS will be... 500 bhp and maybe less than 3000 lbs?
I will start saving from now! LOL
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A key statement I was looking for -
"The six-cylinder engine is based on the same engine as the 911 Carrera S"
Which happens to be the same as the new Cayman.
Can you say a true GT3 Cayman engine swap! A true GT3 Cayman swap instead of compromised street swaps of the past models..... hmmm
"The six-cylinder engine is based on the same engine as the 911 Carrera S"
Which happens to be the same as the new Cayman.
Can you say a true GT3 Cayman engine swap! A true GT3 Cayman swap instead of compromised street swaps of the past models..... hmmm
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The Evo video has a lot of good info. Andreas Preuninger has a great way of conveying his enthusiasm. You can tell he has true love for his product/project. I love the idea of a "donut mode". The up to downshift and down to upshift is definitely a good call.
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This will be another great car. Active rear steering and PDK like a real sequencial are just the toppings to a great mix.
Manual was great, PDK better... The king is dead, long live the king...
All the na-sayers bleating about the lack of manuals will eat humble pie and their voices will pass quickly into the obis. And as for asking protential buyers to steer clear to cohurse Porsche to change their minds... yeah wright!
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Manual was great, PDK better... The king is dead, long live the king...
All the na-sayers bleating about the lack of manuals will eat humble pie and their voices will pass quickly into the obis. And as for asking protential buyers to steer clear to cohurse Porsche to change their minds... yeah wright!
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The e46 M3 is widely viewed as the last true M3 before M stopped being about making a drivers car and more about a marketing ploy + tons of electronic aids. My comparison was that Porsche is trying to sell a bunch of expensive GT3s, and in doing so, have betrayed what the GT3 was meant to be.
I disagree with everything you said about the M-cars. And how Porsche has betrayed the GT3 name because of the PDK (I'm guessing that's what you mean) is a bit strong imo.
The PDK in the new GT3 does sound pretty exiting but I would get a 997 GT3 every day of the week over it, just because of the manual box. It is not like going from air cooled to water cooled, it is not like prefering hand crank starts over a key or carburetors over DFI (arguments from F-chat, probably the most rediculous ones I've heard, ever).
Some people just want to change gear themselves, it's a huge part of driving a car, especially a sports car and I'm sad that there's no manual option on the 991 GT3..
Other than that, I say great job Porsche!!
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IThe PDK in the new GT3 does sound pretty exiting but I would get a 997 GT3 every day of the week over it, just because of the manual box. It is not like going from air cooled to water cooled, it is not like prefering hand crank starts over a key or carburetors over DFI (arguments from F-chat, probably the most rediculous ones I've heard, ever).
Some people just want to change gear themselves, it's a huge part of driving a car, especially a sports car and I'm sad that there's no manual option on the 991 GT3..
Some people just want to change gear themselves, it's a huge part of driving a car, especially a sports car and I'm sad that there's no manual option on the 991 GT3..
However, where I disagree with your sentiment is that; changing gears via a lever is not significantly different than changing it via a paddle. The difference between manual and PDK lays in the manual transmissions ability to allow the driver to be viscerally connected and involved with the car and justifiably, claim partial responsible for the car's output and performance.
The hesitation to welcome PDK with open arms tends to exist as it is yet another technological advancement that removes the human variable just a bit more and slightly equalize the playing field, hence making the driver feel just a bit cheated, in that they were not as involved with the car's performance as before.
If by some fashion, the PDK on this car or its later iterations allows the driver to maintain an acceptable level of involvement, I would purchase the car without hesitation.
Clearly, PDK is a superior technology, but superior doesn't always equate to "better", because "better" is subjective. Hopefully Porsche has done its homework and this car is "better" both subjectively and objectively.
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I have been driving a manual car for the last 10 years of my life and agree that rowing the gears makes me feel more involved with the car than pulling on a paddle behind the wheel.
However, where I disagree with your sentiment is that; changing gears via a lever is not significantly different than changing it via a paddle. The difference between manual and PDK lays in the manual transmissions ability to allow the driver to be viscerally connected and involved with the car and justifiably, claim partial responsible for the car's output and performance.
The hesitation to welcome PDK with open arms tends to exist as it is yet another technological advancement that removes the human variable just a bit more and slightly equalize the playing field, hence making the driver feel just a bit cheated, in that they were not as involved with the car's performance as before.
If by some fashion, the PDK on this car or its later iterations allows the driver to maintain an acceptable level of involvement, I would purchase the car without hesitation.
Clearly, PDK is a superior technology, but superior doesn't always equate to "better", because "better" is subjective. Hopefully Porsche has done its homework and this car is "better" both subjectively and objectively.
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However, where I disagree with your sentiment is that; changing gears via a lever is not significantly different than changing it via a paddle. The difference between manual and PDK lays in the manual transmissions ability to allow the driver to be viscerally connected and involved with the car and justifiably, claim partial responsible for the car's output and performance.
The hesitation to welcome PDK with open arms tends to exist as it is yet another technological advancement that removes the human variable just a bit more and slightly equalize the playing field, hence making the driver feel just a bit cheated, in that they were not as involved with the car's performance as before.
If by some fashion, the PDK on this car or its later iterations allows the driver to maintain an acceptable level of involvement, I would purchase the car without hesitation.
Clearly, PDK is a superior technology, but superior doesn't always equate to "better", because "better" is subjective. Hopefully Porsche has done its homework and this car is "better" both subjectively and objectively.
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I love what they have done with this PDK. However, one of the reasons I loved my 997.1 GT3 was the driver involvement. A GT3 is not about speed or lap times. If you wanted speed, go somewhere else.
Some folks are missing the point. The loss of the manual is huge on this car as the GT3 represented a mission of pure driving enjoyment, not just going fast around a track. I loved the fact that Porsche simply did not offer the manual.
The problem is that the average rich guy wants to impress friends with stats and that's the real target market for car makers nowadays. The PDK allows for some startling 0-60 times which seem to be the be-all, end-all for Americans (way more so than even 1/4 mile times).
All that said, I would not rule the new GT3 out as I am very impressed by it. However, I wouldn't be buying it for the same reasons as my 997.1.
Some folks are missing the point. The loss of the manual is huge on this car as the GT3 represented a mission of pure driving enjoyment, not just going fast around a track. I loved the fact that Porsche simply did not offer the manual.
The problem is that the average rich guy wants to impress friends with stats and that's the real target market for car makers nowadays. The PDK allows for some startling 0-60 times which seem to be the be-all, end-all for Americans (way more so than even 1/4 mile times).
All that said, I would not rule the new GT3 out as I am very impressed by it. However, I wouldn't be buying it for the same reasons as my 997.1.
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i honestly feel like porsche is playing the trump card game rather than developing what gt3 owners want.. weight for me is huge.. having come from a 996tt to now a carrera s i soon came to realize why the gt3 guys love their cars.. its all weight!
the styling is beautiful but 20's on a gt car is rediculous
i was planning on getting 18's for my 997 but the car feels quite compliant with 19's as it was designed with them.. this may be the instance with the 991 also but you do need some sidewall!
the styling is beautiful but 20's on a gt car is rediculous
i was planning on getting 18's for my 997 but the car feels quite compliant with 19's as it was designed with them.. this may be the instance with the 991 also but you do need some sidewall!
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Doubt that 32mpg number holds. UK and German specs indicating 12.4/18.9/26.4 mpg for urban/combined/ex-urban. Even those numbers are unlikely to hold given new stricker measuring standards in US.
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